# Coronavirus will finish Trump's presidency **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 16, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597 "2020-03-16T17:46:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/187 "2020-03-23T22:41:06Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Apparently[taking medical advice](https://www.axios.com/chloroquine-coronavirus-death-09c91a91-4fe7-472c-9de9-79b890aa8fff.html)from Donald Trump isn’t a good idea. Who knew? > \* > “A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate,” one of the anti-malaria drugs that President Trump has mentioned in recent days, according to Banner Health, the hospital system that treated both patients."\* Trump is 100% responsible for this, and in a good and just world would spend the rest of his life in jail. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/188 "2020-03-23T22:55:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > One-minute video that fits your criteria: > [https://youtu.be/JxG241bExqY](https://youtu.be/JxG241bExqY) Wow, that’s a good ad. It was made by Republicans, eh? Weird. I wonder how the producers of the ad voted in the Tump/Hillary matchup. I wonder how they’ll vote in the trump/(Biden?) matchup. But good ad. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/189 "2020-03-23T23:23:53Z")
Most of them have said they will vote Biden if there is no other option besides Trump. These are Republicans like George Conway, Rick Wilson and Bill Kristol. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/190 "2020-03-24T00:38:36Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The new talking point is that we have to be willing to make tradeoffs to make sure the economy is OK. Those “trade offs” are human lives. Now, it’s perfectly acceptable to have an honest discussion about what the right mix of saving lives vs tanking the economy is, but I’m old enough to remember how opposed to “Death Panels” Republicans used to be. A tweet today from conservative-religion group First Things: > [@](#): > > There is a demonic side to the sentimentalism of saving lives at any cost. > Say “No” to Death’s Dominion | R. R. Reno > We must reject the specious moralism that places fear of death at the center of life. > [firstthings.com](http://firstthings.com) > 3:39 PM · Mar 23, 2020·TweetDeck > This is indeed the new direction: _how can you be so sentimental–or is it that you’re demonic?–as to believe that saving the lives of old or disabled people is a good thing???_ The tweet got ratioed, of course (~100 likes and ~1000 replies). But it’s a sign of the right’s new messaging. RawStory has: > [@](#): > > _ **Christian journal claims government has forced the Church to worship ‘the false god of saving lives** _ > Published 2 hours ago on March 23, 2020 > [First Things editor R.R. Reno said] “At the press conference on Friday announcing the New York shutdown, Governor Andrew Cuomo said, ‘I want to be able to say to the people of New York — I did everything we could do. And if everything we do saves just one life, I’ll be happy,'” wrote Reno. “This statement reflects a disastrous sentimentalism. Everything for the sake of physical life? What about justice, beauty, and honor? There are many things more precious than life. …" > **[Christian journal claims government has forced the Church to worship 'the...](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/christian-journal-claims-government-has-forced-the-church-to-worship-the-false-god-of-saving-lives/)** > > Although a great many governors have made allowances for religious ceremonies to be performed in their coronavirus lockdown orders, many churches, too, have acknowledged in these extraordinary circumstances that their congregants should not be... I’m waiting for the Star Trek dialog to be pressed into service: “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few”. I suspect that’s inevitable. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/191 "2020-03-24T01:30:24Z")
> **[Trump weighs restarting economy despite warnings from U.S. public health...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-signals-growing-weariness-with-social-distancing-and-other-steps-advocated-by-health-officials/2020/03/23/0920ea0a-6cfc-11ea-a3ec-70d7479d83f0_story.html)** > > In tweets and retweets, the president argued that “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” reflecting concerns about the impact on the economy. > [@](#): > > He is worried about the impact of soaring unemployment numbers and severe economic contraction on his 2020 reelection bid, and fielded phone calls for much of the weekend from alarmed business leaders. He remains fixated on the plummeting stock market, is chafing at the idea of the country remaining closed until the summer and growing tired of talking only about the coronavirus, one person said. I can see it now, an even worse patchwork of: this state is under quarantine, that one isn’t, except for one county, and the west side of that city… Talk about the “politics of coronavirus”! Republicans following their messiah and taking no precautions, Democrats following the CDC and other health experts and keeping social distancing going as long as necessary (if they can). What will the death toll look like in the end? The sad thing is, many, many people don’t have the luxury of keeping themselves safe. If there isn’t a mandate that businesses remain closed then their owners will open them. If they are open, they will want their employees to show up, or they will fire them and get new employees. The working poor can’t afford to place principles or safety over rent and food. He obviously cares much more about businesses and the stock market than he does about the lives of his constituents. He won’t even invoke his executive powers to get PPE and ventilators to hospitals, and be sure does love his executive powers! > [@](#): > > Why? Because corporate CEOs don’t like the idea, and the president is more concerned with keeping big business happy than keeping Americans alive. > **[Trump Won’t Order Vital Coronavirus Supplies Because Corporate CEOs Asked Him...](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/donald-trump-defense-production-act)** > > They’re worried it could be bad for business. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/192 "2020-03-24T02:35:24Z")
As I mentioned in another thread, Cuomo is apparently getting a little uncomfortable as well: [https://twitter.com/AntPascaleNY1/status/1242108576891576321?s=20](https://twitter.com/AntPascaleNY1/status/1242108576891576321?s=20) I heard that the Congressional debate over the stimulus is devolving to near shouting matches. I don’t doubt everyone in the federal government is under a lot of pressure, direct and indirect. This is a hugely complex situation on a national scale. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/193 "2020-03-24T03:38:58Z")
Conventional wisdom is that Trump needs the economy to get back on track or else he loses the election. However, I think that ship has already sailed and there has been too much damage inflicted even if everything went back to normal tomorrow. Also, if the country gets three-quarters of the way through the first quarantine and then gives up the rate of infection can only go up. But Trump has to make a hail Mary play hinging on the economy because if he loses he’s going to be catching COVID-19 from Harvey Weinstein in their shared cell. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/194 "2020-03-24T05:18:26Z")
The economy is already fucked thru the election. Even if the infection rate drops to zero tomorrow, the impact on the economy and the Dow are not in trumps favor. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/195 "2020-03-24T09:25:37Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > At this rate, the next president will be Randall Flagg. See you in Boulder. Sweet. If you’re coming from the east, swing by Kentucky. I promise not to be Harold Lauder. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/196 "2020-03-24T09:55:19Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > So in other words: “I WANNA PLAY GOLF!!” When you’re in a funk, stop golfing! He thinks he is hitting the virus with a [club](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00079coronagolfing.html) when he is only spreading it further. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![phantom\_lamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@phantom\_lamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phantom_lamb)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/197 "2020-03-24T10:47:13Z")
Wasn’t Michael Avenatti supposed to finish Trump’s presidency? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/198 "2020-03-24T12:49:44Z")
> [@phantom\_lamb](#): > > Wasn’t Michael Avenatti supposed to finish Trump’s presidency? Only in conservative conspiracy theories. He was way, way, way bigger in that set than with anybody on the left. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/199 "2020-03-24T13:24:49Z")
I agree this all could well be similar to how the Iranian hostage crisis ended Carter. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/200 "2020-03-24T13:40:58Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > I can see it now, an even worse patchwork of: this state is under quarantine, that one isn’t, except for one county, and the west side of that city… Talk about the “politics of coronavirus”! Republicans following their messiah and taking no precautions, Democrats following the CDC and other health experts and keeping social distancing going as long as necessary (if they can). What will the death toll look like in the end?] One nightmarish scenario: State 1 is adhering to strict shelter-at-home; neighboring State 2 loosens restrictions and has most businesses open. State 1 closes its border with State 2, State 2 businesses can’t ship their goods through State 1 … If State 1 is critical to commerce (California, Illinois, etc.) this could get ugly. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/201 "2020-03-24T14:12:50Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Only in conservative conspiracy theories. He was way, way, way bigger in that set than with anybody on the left. Agreed. This lefty found Avenatti to be a self-aggrandizing narcissist in much the same manner as Trump. I was very happy when he exited the limelight. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/202 "2020-03-24T14:15:27Z")
… and what an exit! ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/203 "2020-03-24T15:23:24Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Then you’ve never had ipecac. Nothing will make you puke faster. You have time enough to think it tastes pretty gooBWAAAAA, your innards turn inside out. Thanks for sharing. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/204 "2020-03-24T22:25:34Z")
You know, the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense for Trump to say he plans to lift restrictions and get everyone back to work. Trump has placed no restrictions, save for closing borders to foreign travelers. Governors have placed restrictions. Mayors have placed restrictions. CDC and state health departments have issued guidelines. Businesses have voluntarily closed, or been closed by state and local officials, or remained open. Schools have been closed by state and local officials. Sports teams voluntarily ended their seasons. What can he reopen? The borders? I can’t think of anything else closed by presidential decree. He hasn’t been leading from the beginning, so I seriously hope no one follows him now that he’s trying to lead us all off a cliff. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/205 "2020-03-24T23:09:37Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > You know, the more I think about it, the more it makes no sense for Trump to say he plans to lift restrictions and get everyone back to work. Trump has placed no restrictions, save for closing borders to foreign travelers. Governors have placed restrictions. Mayors have placed restrictions. CDC and state health departments have issued guidelines. Businesses have voluntarily closed, or been closed by state and local officials, or remained open. Schools have been closed by state and local officials. Sports teams voluntarily ended their seasons. What can he reopen? The borders? I can’t think of anything else closed by presidential decree. He hasn’t been leading from the beginning, so I seriously hope no one follows him now that he’s trying to lead us all off a cliff. True, he hasn’t been leading. But he’s _very_ used to extorting. And he has many means available to pressure governors, mayors, county-managers (etc.) to lift all restrictions on people moving about and operating businesses. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597/206 "2020-03-24T23:29:56Z")
Yeah, but rolling with that demented line of Trumpthink, he may certainly try to use that as one of his re-election strategies to claim that all these treasonous liberals conspired against him when he was trying to re-boot the economy. The MAGATS will slurp it up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coronavirus-will-finish-trumps-presidency/849597.md?page=11)