# Corporal Punishment should not be reintroduced in School?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [March 27, 2013, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086 "2013-03-27T10:12:03Z")
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### Author:  [@hardikgoyals](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hardikgoyals)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/1 "2013-03-27T10:12:03Z")
Why do you think the Corporal Punishment should not be reintroduced in Schools?đ
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/2 "2013-03-27T10:33:14Z")
Why do you think it should?
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### Author:  [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/3 "2013-03-27T10:48:57Z")
Before it is reintroduced, wouldnât it have to go away? Itâs still a thing in Texas, although parents can opt their kids out.
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/4 "2013-03-27T11:16:28Z")
Because itâs brutal, hypocritical\* and counterproductive.
\*Yes, âdonât hit other people, but stand still while we hit youâ is hypocritical.
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### Author:  [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/5 "2013-03-27T11:18:22Z")
Kids shouldnât be hit, by parents or agents acting for the parents.
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### Author:  [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/6 "2013-03-27T11:24:07Z")
What red-blooded male doesnât want to see kids being spanked?
I kid, I kid
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### Author:  [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/7 "2013-03-27T11:41:18Z")
Anecdotal, but I was told that some kids would just have competitions to see how many lashes they could get.
I remember pain being momentary when I was younger, but boredom lasted forever, which made detention or being sent to my room a lot more of a reason to avoid punishment.
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### Author:  [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/8 "2013-03-27T16:08:33Z")
Corporal punishment is basically ineffective as a tool for inducing pro-social behavior. Studies have shown that corporal punishment is correlated with increases almost every type of misbehavior other than âimmediate complianceâ.
The ONLY place it has been shown to work at all in psych studies is when done sparingly in the context of a generally non-physical set of disciplinary tools.
Contrariwise, more severe or continued corporal punishment is associated with a measurable rise in later-in-live mental illness (in the 2%-5% range, so Iâm seeing).
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [March 27, 2013, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/9 "2013-03-27T23:43:22Z")
The same arguments were commonplace, as the worldâs great Navies began to discontinue flogging. The old-timers believed that only brutal physical discipline could maintain order on-board warships. The reformers suggested that more humane treatment could still result in tight ships and efficient crews.
History shows the reformers correct.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/10 "2013-03-28T02:14:16Z")
> [@hardikgoyals](#):
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> Why do you think the Corporal Punishment should not be reintroduced in Schools?đ
You tell us. And whatâs the wink for? Is this a salacious comment of some sort?
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### Author:  [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/11 "2013-03-28T02:22:49Z")
I think it should be reintroduced in the schools.
Actions have consequences. And sometimes negative reinforcement teaches a lesson better than positive reinforcement.
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### Author:  [@grama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grama)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/12 "2013-03-28T02:49:07Z")
As have been said before in this board. Negative reinforcement, is still reinforcement, which is different from punishment, please learn the difference.
Examples:
(+)reinforcement: If you do X Iâll give you Y. (where Y is something desirable)
(-)reinforcement: If you do X, you wonât have to do Y. (where Y is something undesirable)
(+)punishment: if you do (or donât do) X, Iâll Give/Do Y to you (where Y is undesirable).
(-)punishment: if you do (or donât do) X, you donât get to do Y (where Y is desirable).
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### Author:  [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/13 "2013-03-28T02:50:11Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> The same arguments were commonplace, as the worldâs great Navies began to discontinue flogging. The old-timers believed that only brutal physical discipline could maintain order on-board warships.
Brutal physical disciplin could _never_ maintain order on ships on its own. It took rum and sodomy as well.
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### Author:  [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/14 "2013-03-28T02:53:24Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#):
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> Before it is reintroduced, wouldnât it have to go away? Itâs still a thing in Texas, although parents can opt their kids out.
Thatâs the practical problem with corporal punishment, unless the public schools want a massive exodus out of them theyâll need an opt-out option and if they do have an opt-out option it will create two standards of justice for students,
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/15 "2013-03-28T03:49:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#):
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> I think it should be reintroduced in the schools.
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> Actions have consequences. And sometimes negative reinforcement teaches a lesson better than positive reinforcement.
Except that the lessons it teaches are _âviolence is a valid method of getting what you wantâ_, _âthe powerful have the right to brutalize those weaker than themâ_, and _âthose in authority are enemies to be hated and destroyedâ_.
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### Author:  [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/16 "2013-03-28T03:54:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> Except that the lessons it teaches are _âviolence is a valid method of getting what you wantâ_, _âthe powerful have the right to brutalize those weaker than themâ_, and _âthose in authority are enemies to be hated and destroyedâ_.
That is why it would be used.
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/17 "2013-03-28T04:23:54Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#):
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> That is why it would be used.
Well, no, considering that the logical end result of that line of thinking is waylaying your teacher and clubbing him to death. Or in later years, a general willingness to use violence against authority and to prey upon others.
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### Author:  [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/18 "2013-03-28T17:32:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> Well, no, considering that the logical end result of that line of thinking is waylaying your teacher and clubbing him to death. Or in later years, a general willingness to use violence against authority and to prey upon others.
And that is the result. Unfortunately.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/19 "2013-03-28T17:45:54Z")
> [@UDS](#):
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> Brutal physical disciplin could _never_ maintain order on ships on its own. It took rum and sodomy as well.
And it was a pisser when they took away the rum.
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### Author:  [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)
#### Post date: [March 28, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/corporal-punishment-should-not-be-reintroduced-in-school/654086/20 "2013-03-28T17:50:33Z")
They use it at my childrenâs schools. I have always opted my kids out.
So, if you want it, move to Mississippi. Or Texas, as someone mentioned.
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