# Correct Grammer Question **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 12, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546 "2013-04-12T22:09:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/21 "2013-04-13T15:45:19Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Yes, only posts 4, 14, 16 and 17. Shocking. Wooshed? \<\_\< I was being silly. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/22 "2013-04-13T16:29:00Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > Which is correct? Can I laugh and point at their sign or am I the one who is wrong? Hi Missy2U. I feel it’s a borderline usage in semi-formal writing, but completely acceptable in signage. Ice water. Old time. It’s language in transition, and not so ungrammatical that it will hurt the business. As for the sentence structure, I’ve no problems with that. Signage is a law unto itself, related to things like menus and playbills. Succinctness is paramount, and normal rules of punctuation are irrelevant. Adding five letters to a 40 word sign might cut down on readership. Enjoy Old Fashion Vienna Beef Hot Dogs I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/23 "2013-04-13T16:34:01Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Wooshed? \<\_\< I was being silly. You forgot a silly mark. This is a whooshed mark -\> :smack: ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/24 "2013-04-13T16:35:43Z")
You’re all wrong, its “old_ **e** _-fashioned” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/25 "2013-04-13T23:07:05Z")
Signs are really expensive. The indicated message conveys exactly what was understood, at the same time saving the cost of two extra letters. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/26 "2013-04-14T00:08:47Z")
Yep. I messed up the spelling of grammar. Now I **totally** feel like an idiot. Gaudere’s Law - it’s a real bitch sometimes. Thanks for the responses guys - I appreciate it. I am thinking, after all this, that I should probably just go outside the BACK door of the bar to smoke and then I won’t have to see this sign that makes my head hurt. 😃 Let me guess - I spelled Gaudere’s Law wrong too. That’d be par for the freakin’ course. ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/27 "2013-04-14T15:02:10Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > You must be a person who asks for whip cream. Why are you pronouncing the “H” like that? ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/28 "2013-04-14T15:18:21Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > Why are you pronouncing the “H” like that? Like w_ **h** _at? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/29 "2013-04-14T15:51:33Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > Why are you pronouncing the “H” like that? Oh, I had a friend back in college who pronounced every “wh”. Drove me crazy. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/30 "2013-04-14T15:59:19Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > You must be a person who asks for whip cream. I tried to translate whipped cream directly, word-for-word, into German:“gepeitschte Sahne”. The Germans laughed and laughed at that one. They were envisioning me with a good old buggy whip wailing away on some poor carton of cream. The German phrase is “schlagsahne” (beaten cream)…which of course made me think of some thugs in an alley with brass knuckles pounding some defenseless carton of cream. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/31 "2013-04-14T16:00:39Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Oh, I had a friend back in college who pronounced every “wh”. Drove me crazy. I had a teacher in high school who pronounced long A as a long E - “Beesically, it was the feet of the character to be heeted.” ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/32 "2013-04-14T16:04:20Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > You’re all wrong, its “old_ **e** _-fashioned” 😃 Still wrong - it is “Ye olde-fashioned…” ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/33 "2013-04-15T13:17:10Z")
I’m auld-fashioned. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/34 "2013-04-15T13:32:41Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > The shortening of descriptors like that bugs the heck out of me - “ice tea”, “whip cream”, “box lunch”, “mash potatoes”, etc. I was watching an interview with Simon Cowell once (don’t ask me why) and he kept referring to rapper Ice T as “iced tea.” I don’t know why it cracked me so thoroughly up, but it did, and I’ve resolved to call him that since. > [@6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](#): > > **Missy2U** , you can certainly laugh and point; I think the sign is completely wrong. It should read, “_Enjoy our old-fashioned Vienna hot dogs_.” Ha, yeah, my first thought was to be annoyed by the dash. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/35 "2013-04-15T13:48:53Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Since we’re nitpicking: its “Gramm **a** r”. It’s. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/36 "2013-04-15T13:51:48Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > It’s. Aargh. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/37 "2013-04-15T14:26:11Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Still wrong - it is “Ye olde-fashioned…” [**To ye or not to ye**](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ye). . . . ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/38 "2013-04-15T16:09:16Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > Yep. I messed up the spelling of grammar. Now I **totally** feel like an idiot. Gaudere’s Law - it’s a real bitch sometimes. > > Thanks for the responses guys - I appreciate it. I am thinking, after all this, that I should probably just go outside the BACK door of the bar to smoke and then I won’t have to see this sign that makes my head hurt. 😃 > > Let me guess - I spelled Gaudere’s Law wrong too. That’d be par for the freakin’ course. No, you got that right, and it’s an easy one to screw up, so congratulations! Who knows what gammatical solecisms lie in wait outside that back door? I think the best solution is to simply quit smoking entirely. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/39 "2013-04-15T16:48:00Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > Let me guess - I spelled Gaudere’s Law wrong too. That’d be par for the freakin’ course. I think it’s actually impossible to spell that correctly. Even Gaudere couldn’t get it right, so no one knows how it’s actually spelled. ---
**Author:** ![flyonwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3be4f8/32.png) [@flyonwall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flyonwall)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546/40 "2013-04-15T16:53:47Z")
Better still…Quit smoking. Haha… just sayin’ N.B. Message for OP in response to #26. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/correct-grammer-question/655546.md?page=3)