# cougar58 has been banned II **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 11, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523 "2014-01-11T17:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/1 "2014-01-11T17:17:18Z")
I don’t know why the ban announcement is locked , but it has been my understanding that this is the forum for mod criticism. If not, please redirect. > [@](#): > > cougar58 was suspended in August for a variety of rules violations including obsessive posting on one topic, encouraging illegal activity, and being a jerk. She’s continued to post almost only about pit bull-related subjects, and we’ve let that go because almost all of her posts were in a single Pit thread. However yesterday she wished death on a poster and received another warning, so she’s banned. **cougar58** has been quite passionate about her concern for the dangers that pitbulls pose to society. Apparently she has stuck close to this topic and despite a long torrent of abuse from fellow posters she tenaciously has stood her ground First, the charge that she’s only posting about pit bulls is bullshit. A quick review of her posting history makes that very clear . Obsessive posting on one topic when it is her own thread ? Give me a break. And just which poster did she wish death on? That charge is so over the top it makes me want to explode. No court of law could draw that conclusion. This banning is totally unnecessary and frankly, I can only believe that **Marley23** is a bully. I suspect that several of the pro pitbull breed posters who are unable to silence **cougar58** have complained enough times to irritate this mod. They got there wish and now can freely shit on **cougar’s** thread. It used to be that mods would lock a banned poster’s thread to prevent this sort of thing. Disgusting ! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/2 "2014-01-11T17:20:25Z")
Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke… ETA: Had a worse idea: someone else (who could it be?) is using Flying Dutchman’s account. FD has been here since 2000 and should know how things work around here. Reported due to the above. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/3 "2014-01-11T17:25:46Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > And just which poster did she wish death on? That charge is so over the top it makes me want to explode. No court of law could draw that conclusion. I agree. It was hardly “wishing death on a poster”. Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/4 "2014-01-11T18:02:44Z")
Well, she was advocating [poisoning people’s dogs](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16604213#post16604213). I didn’t have too much interaction with her, but _damn_. She knows Xyletol is a sneaky poison for dogs (it causes liver failure), and she knowingly advocated hiding it in a ground beef patty in the owner’s yard to kill the dog. That’s all sorts of morally and legally wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/5 "2014-01-11T19:51:40Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > And just which poster did she wish death on? [She wished nutters (i.e.: **everyone who has been defending Pit Bulls** in that thread) would go hang themselves.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16999272&postcount=778) ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/6 "2014-01-11T21:33:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > ETA: Had a worse idea: someone else (who could it be?) is using Flying Dutchman’s account. FD has been here since 2000 and should know how things work around here. > > Reported due to the above. Are you kidding me? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/7 "2014-01-12T00:03:03Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [She wished nutters (i.e.: **everyone who has been defending Pit Bulls** in that thread) would go hang themselves.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16999272&postcount=778) No, she wished everyone who owns a pitbull, which coincidentally includes some people here, would go hang themselves. It’s like the difference between saying “I wish everyone in Congress would die, they’re all terrible” and actually emailing a death threat to Nancy Pelosi. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/8 "2014-01-12T02:54:23Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > No, she wished everyone who owns a pitbull, which coincidentally includes some people here, would go hang themselves. > > It’s like the difference between saying “I wish everyone in Congress would die, they’re all terrible” and actually emailing a death threat to Nancy Pelosi. I have had people on here wish death on me due to the fact that I belong to a subset of the population. That is allowed as long as it’s not at a specific poster. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/9 "2014-01-12T03:06:16Z")
Disclaimer: I’m a dog lover, including Pit Bulls. I’ve met several, mostly in public places, and I’ve invariably found them to be way high among the friendly lovable breeds. Granted, they are strong and solidly built and sometimes like to play rough; I wonder if a lot of people may be misinterpreting that. That said . . . I can’t quite see that any one of her posts was individually banworthy, but enough of them were seriously obnoxious enough that they became cumulatively banworthy. We can’t really knock her for posting obsessively about Pit Bulls because, as noted, she kept it mostly confined to one thread, in which that was the thread topic. And, to be sure, the Pit is specifically defined as the place to be obnoxious. We can’t really knock her (too much, to banworthy levels) for generically wishing death on Pit Bull owners. There was no specific person, on or off this board, targeted. Her suggestion of poisoning dogs really pushes, if not exceeds, the limit. She advocated proactively poisoning dogs, even in the dogs’ own yards. That _wasn’t_ at all the same as killing Pit Bulls as self defense during an imminent or on-going attack. Pre-emptive killing of Pit Bulls, I’m sure, was _not_ the situation that was tested in court in all those cases she cited. Okay, that alone might have been good for a stern warning. But I’m sure the mods’ real reason for banning her was the cumulative sum of all that. Too bad. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/10 "2014-01-12T03:21:39Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Is this a joke? Please tell me this is a joke… > > ETA: Had a worse idea: someone else (who could it be?) is using Flying Dutchman’s account. FD has been here since 2000 and should know how things work around here. > > Reported due to the above. Seriously, what the fuck are you on about? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/11 "2014-01-12T03:33:41Z")
As for the OP, I am of two minds. I posted a bit on there against Pitbulls and was met with absurd derision from unfounded hatred to drunkeness & not being a native speaker (?) – that in despite of _the facts_ backing my posts. Now, it isn’t the first time I get into a Pitbull discussion, and I am well aware they (owners) are a very tight bunch – untill they become the victims, which happens quite often. That said, I though **cougar58** skated the line between facts and sheer hatred quite a few times. And while I agreed in the main with what she said – specially facts – I wasn’t quite in agreement with her insults to owners nor her bizarre death-wishes for the breed…including poison recipes. Much too nasty. Not happy to see her go, but honestly, it was earned. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/12 "2014-01-12T04:33:23Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > No, she wished everyone who owns a pitbull, which coincidentally includes some people here, would go hang themselves. Except [I](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16992613&postcount=683) [don’t](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16992622&postcount=684) [own](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16993396&postcount=701) any dog. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/13 "2014-01-12T05:02:44Z")
Banning people for ‘wishing death on someone’… HAHAHAAA! That is some superstitious dumb shit right there, boy. Haha, “wishing death” HAHAHAAAA! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/14 "2014-01-12T08:03:54Z")
I am of two minds about this, but was there ample warning and maybe a suspension? Sure, she was considered by some to be pretty mono-maniacal, but she also made some good points. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/15 "2014-01-12T12:00:18Z")
Here is the announcement: > **[cougar58 has been banned](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=712710)** > > cougar58 was suspended in August for a variety of rules violations including obsessive posting on one topic, encouraging illegal activity, and being a jerk. She’s continued to post almost only about pit bull-related subjects, and we’ve let that go... She had already been suspended in August for a string of jerky behavior. While the “wished death” line was a bit thin, her overall behavior pattern was jerkish. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/16 "2014-01-12T12:44:08Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Seriously, what the fuck are you on about? I suspect that **BigT** found it odd that **The Flying Dutchman** seemed unaware of the fact that ban announcements are _always_ locked, despite having been here since 2000. And that is rather strange. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/17 "2014-01-12T13:57:24Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I suspect that **BigT** found it odd that **The Flying Dutchman** seemed unaware of the fact that ban announcements are _always_ locked, despite having been here since 2000. And that is rather strange. Also, he thinks that \*\*Marley23 \*\*is a bully, and nobody who has been here any length of time could possibly believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/18 "2014-01-12T14:09:22Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Also, he thinks that \*\*Marley23 \*\*is a bully, and nobody who has been here any length of time could possibly believe that. Yeah, Marley banned everyone _only once._ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/19 "2014-01-12T17:58:53Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > And just which poster did she wish death on? That charge is so over the top it makes me want to explode. No court of law could draw that conclusion. This banning is totally unnecessary and frankly, I can only believe that **Marley23** is a bully. If you’re going to call people bullies, you should at least take the time to make sure you’re accusing the right person. None of **cougar** ’s many warnings were issued by **Marley**. The warning for wishing death on other posters came from me, not **Marley**. I was also the one who brought up the issue of banning to the rest of the mods. **Marley** processed the ban and posted about it in ATMB because he happened to be online when we reached a consensus on the ban - which was unanimous. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/20 "2014-01-12T18:11:48Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I suspect that **BigT** found it odd that **The Flying Dutchman** seemed unaware of the fact that ban announcements are _always_ locked, despite having been here since 2000. And that is rather strange. I think it may also involve a naive belief that the hackers have nothing better to do than log in as one of us to complain about moderator actions. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523.md?page=2)