# cougar58 has been banned II **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 11, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523 "2014-01-11T17:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/21 "2014-01-12T18:29:29Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Yeah, Marley banned everyone _only once._ And for the record, we all learned our lesson. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/22 "2014-01-12T19:39:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If you’re going to call people bullies, you should at least take the time to make sure you’re accusing the right person. None of **cougar** ’s many warnings were issued by **Marley**. The warning for wishing death on other posters came from me, not **Marley**. I was also the one who brought up the issue of banning to the rest of the mods. **Marley** processed the ban and posted about it in ATMB because he happened to be online when we reached a consensus on the ban - which was unanimous. Its good of you to accept responsibility for issuing the ridiculous official mod warning regarding “wishing death on other posters” . My apologies to **Marley23** for misdirecting my complaint. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/23 "2014-01-12T20:53:19Z")
Can we still insinuate death to large groups of people that are not members here? ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/24 "2014-01-12T22:06:28Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > No, she wished everyone who owns a pitbull, which coincidentally includes some people here, would go hang themselves. I’m going to disagree, and say she’s not telling anyone to go hang themself, and she’s not directly wishing death of any other poster. **Cougar58** wrote: > [@](#): > > Me thinks the ideal rope / harness design for a nutter is one that has a harness for the pit bull, 5 feet of rope, and a noose for the nutters neck at the other end The only way someone is hurt in this scenario is if their pitbull goes out of control and starts dragging the owner. If you’re holding on to the rope and the dog is heeling or pulling gently, there’s no problem. It’s about like saying, “If someone believes they can drive safely with with a 0.8 blood alcohol content I encourage them to test that on a winding mountain road when there’s no other cars around and without wearing a seatbelt.” If the (generic) people saying they can drive fine with 0.8 are right, then there’s no statistically significant problem. If the generic “nutters” who believe that controlling their large muscular dog isn’t a problem, then there’s not much danger. All that aside, for **cougar58** to advocate poisoning dogs was a jerk move, and I can understand her being on a “short leash” and have no serious problem with the ban. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/25 "2014-01-12T23:56:33Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > The only way someone is hurt in this scenario is if their pitbull goes out of control and starts dragging the owner. If you’re holding on to the rope and the dog is heeling or pulling gently, there’s no problem. She advocated poisoning dogs. It is logical to assume that the intended meaning is one which hangs both the dog and the nutter. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/26 "2014-01-13T01:31:49Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > She advocated poisoning dogs. It is logical to assume that the intended meaning is one which hangs both the dog and the nutter. :dubious: If she means to hang the dog, why would she say “harness” instead of “noose”? If she wants to hang the dog owner instead of just making them put their “money where their mouth is” there are much better ways of doing that than putting a dog at the other end of the noose. And while link about poisoning dogs did, IMO, have **cougar58** advocating breaking the law, she did limit the suggestion to dogs that were actively dangerous based on past activity, and to situations where the government refused to take action. She also gave a cite for a court supporting the killing of a dangerous dog that the government had neglected to take action on. She went over the line in that post, but to equate that medium well-hedged argument to advocating that “nutters” go hang themselves is :dubious: . ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/27 "2014-01-13T05:05:24Z")
Banning Cougar58 reeks of prejudice in favor of one side of an ongoing argument. His arguments were always well expressed and fully backed up with cites and research. And, for the love of Christ, it is the PIT. don’t try to apply nicey nicey Kumbayah behavior and expression to the PIT! What is the point of the PIT if you have to avoid even indirect insults to the other parties? Yes, pit bull lovers are deluded and we pray they won’t have to suffer for their delusion, but, where is the justification for having a dangerous animal in the first place? Why??? No way Cougar58 deserved being singled out for any banning. I think it pretty stupid on the mods part, myself. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/28 "2014-01-13T05:08:52Z")
I surely hope this site is not as rotten as authonomy where a few users who disagree with another can deluge admin with enough abuse reports they delete the person they dislike without ever considering any of the evidence. Apparently a bunch of mods all agreed that cougar58 had to go…they were wrong, but, at least it appears they considered the posts before taking action. Wrong action, unjustifiable action, stupid action, but, ‘considered’ action. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/29 "2014-01-13T05:41:22Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > :dubious: > If she means to hang the dog, why would she say “harness” instead of “noose”?. In order to skirt the warning for wanting to poison 'em. > [@](#): > > And while link about poisoning dogs did, IMO, have cougar58 advocating breaking the law, she did limit the suggestion to dogs that were actively dangerous based on past activity, and to situations where the government refused to take action. And she thinks that anything which remotely resembles a Pit Bull is dangerous, no matter what the previous behavior. Cite: her posting on [DogsBite.org](http://DogsBite.org). Just a short jump from wanting such dogs dead to wanting those who defend them dead as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/30 "2014-01-13T06:06:38Z")
Ah, it seems to me she received several warnings from moderators that her “behavior” was crossing the line. And a suspension too, IIRC. She didn’t learn. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/31 "2014-01-13T06:12:39Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > Ah, it seems to me she received several warnings from moderators that her “behavior” was crossing the line. And a suspension too, IIRC. She didn’t learn. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/32 "2014-01-13T11:14:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > In order to skirt the warning for wanting to poison 'em. So, she avoids using “noose” for the dog due to an earlier warning, but thinks there shouldn’t be an issue if it’s on the human end? But the reader is supposed to understand that she really means that the dog should be hung along with the human? If that’s the “logical” interpretation of cougar58’s noose remark, I’ll stick with my original illogical interpretation from upthread. ---
**Author:** ![BoozeHound76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BoozeHound76](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoozeHound76)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/33 "2014-01-13T14:12:51Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > I surely hope this site is not as rotten as authonomy where a few users who disagree with another can deluge admin with enough abuse reports they delete the person they dislike without ever considering any of the evidence. Apparently a bunch of mods all agreed that cougar58 had to go…they were wrong, but, at least it appears they considered the posts before taking action. Wrong action, unjustifiable action, stupid action, but, ‘considered’ action. If Authonomy’s users are so vile, why do you keep trying to get them all to come here? > **[HarperCollins UK Publishers Ltd.](https://harpercollins.co.uk/)** > > HarperCollins UK is home to many of the country’s best loved authors, books and brands. Discover thousands of fantastic titles from some of the brightest names in fiction, non-fiction, children’s books, reference and more. HarperCollins is proud to... :smack: ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/34 "2014-01-13T14:21:30Z")
**MODERATOR NOTE:** This is getting to be more argumentative than anything else and is not appropriate for ATMB. If you have a disagreement with another poster you need to take it to the Pit. Dial it down or this thread will be closed. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/35 "2014-01-13T14:39:32Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > First, the charge that she’s only posting about pit bulls is bullshit. A quick review of her posting history makes that very clear . 87 of her last 100 posts were in the Pit Bull thread. There were two complaints about the way she was moderated and the other posts were about tooth bleaching. If you read the threads “Pitbulls” and “Pit Bulls (continued),” I think you’ll find a very large chunk of her posts, especially over the last few months. If she were posting in other forums we might have moderated that more strictly, but since she was mostly ranting in the Pit we let it go. Still, she had a pattern of insulting people when she wasn’t in the Pit and for breaking other rules, like telling other people to kill dogs or the “noose” post. For context: from what I saw, everyone who disagreed with her about the dogs was a “nutter.” > [@](#): > > No court of law could draw that conclusion. We’re not a court of law. > [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Banning people for ‘wishing death on someone’… HAHAHAAA! That is some superstitious dumb shit right there, boy. Haha, “wishing death” HAHAHAAAA! The main rule here is “don’t be a jerk.” If you tell people you hope they die, you’re a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![all\_timestamps\_displayed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/958977/32.png) [@all\_timestamps\_displayed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/all_timestamps_displayed)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/36 "2014-01-13T17:28:49Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > I’m going to disagree, and say she’s not telling anyone to go hang themself, and she’s not directly wishing death of any other poster. > > The only way someone is hurt in this scenario is if their pitbull goes out of control and starts dragging the owner. If you’re holding on to the rope and the dog is heeling or pulling gently, there’s no problem. THIS > [@](#): > > Banning Cougar58 reeks of prejudice in favor of one side of an ongoing argument. His arguments were always well expressed and fully backed up with cites and research. > > _\_ > > No way Cougar58 deserved being singled out for any banning. I think it pretty stupid on the mods part, myself. THIS \* 1000 - it really, really reeks of prejudice. This is not the action of a community dedicated to fighting ignorance. This reeks of quelling dissenting opinion - which was quite well-backed. Show me how cougar58 was any more of a jerk than all the opposing posters who piled on (and still are, pathetically, even though the OP can’t answer them now) in that thread? This has been one of my favorite sites over the years, but there is no “ignorance fighting” surrounding this banning - just ignorance. Mission failed ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/37 "2014-01-13T17:59:04Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > I’m going to disagree, and say she’s not telling anyone to go hang themself, and she’s not directly wishing death of any other poster. [Here’s **cougar58** calling another poster a “nutter.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16997183&highlight=nutter#post16997183) > [@all\_timestamps\_displayed](#): > > Show me how cougar58 was any more of a jerk than all the opposing posters who piled on (and still are, pathetically, even though the OP can’t answer them now) in that thread? **cougar58** was warned several times for breaking the rules. And I think other posters have taken up the argument **cougar58** was making. If so, is there a problem with the thread staying open? ---
**Author:** ![all\_timestamps\_displayed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/958977/32.png) [@all\_timestamps\_displayed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/all_timestamps_displayed)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/38 "2014-01-13T19:53:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Here’s **cougar58** calling another poster a “nutter.”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16997183&highlight=nutter#post16997183) So just to be clear, the contention was and the ruling was that: [QUOTE=cougar58] You said the rope almost burned your hands and both pit bulls charged the man and his dog. Neither the rope, nor the harness, failed. Root cause was deemed to be the loose nut at the other end of the rope. The loose nutter, that is. [/QUOTE] - [QUOTE=cougar58] Me thinks the ideal rope / harness design for a nutter is one that has a harness for the pit bull, 5 feet of rope, and a noose for the nutters neck at the other end [/QUOTE] **(Said 8 posts and 20 hours later!)** = [QUOTE=cougar58] Go hang yourself, Shayna. [/QUOTE] 😕😕😕 Fuckin gotcha ya, I guess… Consensus was that those posts meant that cougar58 was deliberately wishing death on Shayna? As in “I hope you die, Shayna”? Um, am I permitted to start a Pit thread on this line of thinking and action??? Am I allowed to ask WTF? > [@](#): > > **cougar58** was warned several times for breaking the rules. And I think other posters have taken up the argument **cougar58** was making. If so, is there a problem with the thread staying open? It’s not a Pit Bull thread, it’s a cougar58 vs “SDMB pit bull / fighting dog supporters brigade” Pit thread, and 15 of the 16 pages is cougar58 going it alone against the other side, who between talking points simply attempt to deliver a ration of shit. And cougar58 was game but now cougar58 is gone and it’s an SDMB pit bull supporters gloat thread. Because clearly cougar58’s banning proves their case for fighting dogs, and ignorance has been fought. Congrats you win all the internets. And that’s why the thread should be put down. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/39 "2014-01-13T20:08:55Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > So, she avoids using “noose” for the dog due to an earlier warning, but thinks there shouldn’t be an issue if it’s on the human end? But the reader is supposed to understand that she really means that the dog should be hung along with the human? > > If that’s the “logical” interpretation of cougar58’s noose remark, I’ll stick with my original illogical interpretation from upthread. [DogsBite.org](http://DogsBite.org) is a site for fanatics run by a fanatic. Try substituting “Jew” for “Pit Bull” & “dog” and “Stormfront” for “DogsBite”. Would we even be having this discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523/40 "2014-01-13T20:13:10Z")
> [@all\_timestamps\_displayed](#): > > Consensus was that those posts meant that cougar58 was deliberately wishing death on Shayna? As in “I hope you die, Shayna”? **Shayna** specifically? No. The posters **cougar58** was arguing against? Yes. > [@](#): > > Um, am I permitted to start a Pit thread on this line of thinking and action??? No. If you have a complaint or a question about moderating, it has to be posted in this forum. > [@](#): > > Am I allowed to ask WTF? I’m pretty sure you already did. 😉 > [@](#): > > It’s not a Pit Bull thread, it’s a cougar58 vs “SDMB pit bull / fighting dog supporters brigade” Pit thread, and 15 of the 16 pages is cougar58 going it alone against the other side, who between talking points simply attempt to deliver a ration of shit. **cougar58** opened that thread in the Pit following a long GD thread. I’m sure she knew what she was in for. > [@](#): > > And cougar58 was game but now cougar58 is gone and it’s an SDMB pit bull supporters gloat thread. There’s been little or no gloating, and a few other posters are taking up the “anti-Pit bull” argument. It looks like a live thread topic to me even though everyone is beating a dead horse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cougar58-has-been-banned-ii/678523.md?page=3)