Could an English Premiership-style league work for North American sports?

The answer is hardly to make the EPL non-relegation. That’s insane.

The problem of there being an ‘elite’ of a dozen or so clubs who dominate their domestic leagues will be resolved in, say, 5 years or so when the Champions League matures into a full-time international league.

At that point, all the domestic leagues become far more equal again.

Either the ‘super’ league or some Government intervention to challenge the ‘fairness’ of how the current teevee money pot is ditributed, or isn’t, will adrdres the issue, not making it relegation free. Jesus.

Also these so-called salary caps won’t work for very long in Europe; they’ll be a challenge against them anytime soon as they’re against the principle of freedom of contract. Bosman revisited. No legal case whatsoever for salary caps, better to argue that only a given percentage of a clubs income can be given to players salaries.

I hope the European leagues don’t start adopting salary caps. Shoot, I wish the U.S. leagues would dump their salary caps.

We actually dealt with this recently in another thread; I can’t search it out since I’m on my way out of here and not a member.

The main reason relegation and promotion can’t occur in the United States is that the formation of competitions uses a totally different model from the English club based system. Unlike England (and much of the rest of the football world), where each team is an individual entity which competes in an annual competition organized by the sport’s governing body (the EPL is a recent and only slightly different animal), American teams are franchises of an organization of teams incorporated solely to provide the annual competition in question. Tempting as it might be to relegate the Detroit Tigers to the International League and promote, say, Columbus, it can’t be done because the Detroit Tigers are a franchise holder of the American League and Major League Baseball. They are a piece of the American League; their owner has a vote in how the league is run, serves on its committees, etc.

Indeed, to show how we Americans tend to think we can ignore the way the rest of the world runs things and always have a better solution, our top flight soccer league doesn’t even have franchises; it is a “single entity”, which signs the players and assigns them to teams run by investors in the entity. Currently, one of the investors runs half of the league’s teams; another runs 30% of them. This method of organization has precluded the move from the second division (the “A League”) by the Rochester Raging Rhinos, perennially a top performer, to the MLS, even as a franchise, since there are no franchises in MLS.

To allow for promotion and relegation, we would have to totally re-tool the way professional sports are run in America. Given that the product is doing quite well, it is hard to forsee any need to revamp the American concept that way.

As for Europe’s current domination by certain clubs, the answer is quite simple, and it is one towards which Europe’s clubs are moving slowly. There will eventually be a European Super-League, promotion to which will be earned through top results in lesser European competitions like the UEFA cup and, likely, a re-initiation of the Champions Cup. Members of the Super League will not compete in their home country’s domestic competitions; each year the worst performers in the Super-League will be demoted to their domestic competitions.

I like promotion and relegation; it allows teams to increase their investment and be rewarded for it, it penalizes teams that don’t maintain a competent level of operations (sorry, Wimbledon, but EPL to Second Division in the space of four years says something telling about how the club is run), and it certainly makes for interesting battles at season end, even when the upper end of the table is pretty much set. Who cares about games which include Arsenal now; but I’ll be all ready to watch Foxes invade Elland Road Monday night in a fight for survival in top flight football!

Promotion and relegation has got good money making potential.
In England, in the Nationwide First, Second and Third divisions, interest is sustained until after the fixtures have been completed by having play off games. For instance my team (Swansea) is presently playing in the Third division, which has 24 teams in it. The top 3 of those teams will get automatic promotion to the Second division, but the next 4 teams play off at the end of the season to decide which one will also get promoted. These play-off games usually draw large crowds and the final game between the teams will be played in the National stadium (although at the moment this is the Millenium Stadium, Cardiff, until Wembley is rebuilt). Of course, these are big moneyspinners. Teams that draw less than 10,000 spectators normally will often have a crowd of 40,000-50,000.
You could easily have a situation where half the teams in the division have something to play for right up to the last game of the season. Especially if you take into consideration the struggle to avoid relegation at the bottom.

It’s too late now but we could do with a few goals, flukey or not. I must sayWhite Rock rather appeals to me. Makes me sound hard and manly.

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NCAA college football already sort of works in the manner described, with teams advancing between tiers (usually upwards), albeit at a much slower pace and not necessarily always relative to success at a particular level.

Eh? AFAIK, any school can jump to any division it wants to in any sport it chooses. It just needs to commit to invest the proper amount of money.

For example, my university decided that it would rather give money for scholastic achievement rather than athletic, so they dropped from Division I to Division III. If they changed their mind and wanted back into Division I, they’d just have to decide to do so and commit the necessary athletic budget.