# Could God incarnate as man and is Meher Baba God in human form? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 30, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871 "2015-04-30T05:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![stephenchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3e96dc/32.png) [@stephenchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stephenchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/1 "2015-04-30T05:13:18Z")
Please judge for yourself based on his Universal Message. The Universal Message of Meher Baba ``` I have come not to teach but to awaken. Understand therefore that I lay down no precepts. Throughout eternity I have laid down principles and precepts, but mankind has ignored them. Man's inability to live God's words makes the Avatar's teaching a mockery. Instead of practicing the compassion he taught, man has waged crusades in his name. Instead of living the humility, purity and truth of his words, man has given way to hatred, greed and violence. Because man has been deaf to the principles and precepts laid down by God in the past, in this present Avataric Form I observe Silence. You have asked for and been given enough words — it is now time to live them. To get nearer and nearer to God you have to get further and further away from "I," "Me," and "Mine". You have not to renounce anything but your own self. It is as simple as that, though found to be almost impossible. It is possible for you to renounce your limited self by my Grace. I have come to release that Grace. I repeat, I lay down no precepts. When I release the tide of Truth which I have come to give, men's daily lives will be the living precept. The words I have not spoken will come to life in them. I veil myself from man by his own curtain of ignorance, and manifest my Glory to a few. My present Avataric Form is the last Incarnation of this cycle of time, hence my Manifestation will be the greatest. When I break my Silence, the impact of my Love will be universal and all life in creation will know, feel and receive of it. It will help every individual to break himself free from his bondage in his own way. I am the Divine Beloved who loves you more than you can ever love yourself. The breaking of my Silence will help you to help yourself in knowing your real Self. All this world confusion and chaos was inevitable and no one is to blame. What had to happen has happened; and what has to happen will happen. There was and is no way out except through my coming in your midst. I had to come, and I have come. I am the Ancient One. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/2 "2015-04-30T05:21:39Z")
> [@stephenchurch](#): > > Please judge for yourself based on his Universal Message. > > The Universal Message of Meher Baba > > ``` > I have come not to teach but to awaken. Understand therefore that I lay down no precepts. > > ``` You’ve got nothing to say? > [@](#): > > . . . Because man has been deaf to the principles and precepts laid down by God in the past, in this present Avataric Form I observe Silence. Awful darn wordy for someone claiming to be silent. Seriously, this is remarkably bombastic, and yet conveys nothing. “I come not to teach but to awaken.” What does that even mean? I give it a “two” on the “one to ten scale of self-inflated egoistic cosmic mind-games.” Even Paramahansa Yogananda spat out a better line of mystical mumbo. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/3 "2015-04-30T05:34:45Z")
Nothing worse than being cornered by a Meher Baba fanatic, except maybe a militant Unitarian or a vegan. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/4 "2015-04-30T05:45:26Z")
There is some evidence that God has incarnated in the past. [Cite](https://www.biblegateway.com/). [Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashavatara). [Cite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan). > [@stephenchurch](#): > > Throughout eternity I have laid down principles and precepts, but mankind has ignored them. Man’s inability to live God’s words makes the Avatar’s teaching a mockery. Instead of practicing the compassion he taught, man has waged crusades in his name. Instead of living the humility, purity and truth of his words, man has given way to hatred, greed and violence. > > ``` > Because man has been deaf to the principles and precepts laid down by God in the past, in this present Avataric Form I observe Silence. You have asked for and been given enough words — it is now time to live them. > > ``` Gotta admit, it’s worth a shot. > [@](#): > > ``` > I veil myself from man by his own curtain of ignorance, and manifest my Glory to a few. My present Avataric Form is the last Incarnation of this cycle of time, hence my Manifestation will be the greatest. > > ``` The greatest ever? Sorry, but gurus are a dime a dozen. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/5 "2015-04-30T05:46:30Z")
Could God incarnate as man? Well yes. Most religions would say that omnipotence is one of the defining characteristics of godhood. It should be well within the abilities of your typical god to incarnate as a man, or a hamster. Or a chicken sandwich. I have a chicken sandwich in front of me. It may be just a chicken sandwich, or it could be a god. I’m not sure. The chicken sandwich itself, like Meher Baba, remains silent. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/6 "2015-04-30T05:55:11Z")
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**Author:** ![stephenchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3e96dc/32.png) [@stephenchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stephenchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/7 "2015-04-30T06:35:36Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > Could God incarnate as man? > > Well yes. Most religions would say that omnipotence is one of the defining characteristics of godhood. It should be well within the abilities of your typical god to incarnate as a man, or a hamster. Or a chicken sandwich. > > I have a chicken sandwich in front of me. It may be just a chicken sandwich, or it could be a god. I’m not sure. > > The chicken sandwich itself, like Meher Baba, remains silent. blue infinity you really made me laugh 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/8 "2015-04-30T06:54:38Z")
So God chooses to take humanoid form. Does he choose to be a superhuman, with miraculous powers so spectacular the whole world can’t help but notice? No. Does he choose to be a regular human, such that the whole world considers him to be just another average joe? No. He chooses to be a human, but one who declares he is god, and has supposedly heavenly knowledge and ideas. Not _technical_ ideas mind, like how to fight cancer or build spaceships (which would also help validate he is who he says he is), but vague metaphysical ramblings that will only succeed to convince people predisposed towards such things, if they listen to their “faith” instead of their skepticism. Why does he keep picking that plan? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/9 "2015-04-30T06:56:27Z")
So you’re Ancient? Could you settle an argument, please? How were the pyramids built? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/10 "2015-04-30T07:00:09Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So you’re Ancient? Could you settle an argument, please? How were the pyramids built? I’m pretty sure most of the OP was a quote from [this guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meher_Baba). ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/11 "2015-04-30T07:18:24Z")
Well I assumed the OP was the reincarnation of Meher Baba. Hopefully he’ll clear that up. ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/12 "2015-04-30T07:31:17Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So you’re Ancient? Could you settle an argument, please? How were the pyramids built? I for one would like to know what happened during the so-called cosmic inflation. But I guess the Ancient One has re-entered Silence now and I’ll never really know. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/13 "2015-04-30T08:02:40Z")
Baba? O really? We won’t get fooled again, I’ll tell you that much. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/14 "2015-04-30T11:23:14Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > I have a chicken sandwich in front of me. It may be just a chicken sandwich, or it could be a god. I’m not sure. The answer is there, if you cast aside your veil of ignorance. Is there a piece of angel food cake with it? Think about it. Okay, that should be plenty, now I pass into silence. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/15 "2015-04-30T11:48:27Z")
> [@stephenchurch](#): > > I am the Ancient One. Meh. But at least that’s better than an Elder One, though that would be more interesting. You know, really mind-blowing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/16 "2015-04-30T11:51:22Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I am the Ancient One. > > Meh. Stay out of this, Baron Mordo. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/17 "2015-04-30T11:54:51Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Stay out of this, Baron Mordo. This I had to look up. I assure you that I don’t do black magic. I’m good at karate, though. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/18 "2015-04-30T11:56:56Z")
I, for one, welcome our new ancient silent awakener. He who hath no precepts to lay down. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/19 "2015-04-30T12:30:03Z")
> [@](#): > > What had to happen has happened; and what has to happen will happen. Cite? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-god-incarnate-as-man-and-is-meher-baba-god-in-human-form/718871/20 "2015-04-30T12:43:14Z")
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