# Could it be possible that homosexuals are really athesist **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 5, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225 "2013-06-05T17:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/21 "2013-06-05T18:16:03Z")
Doesn’t the bible say the exact same “an abomination” in regards to shellfish, as it does Homosexuality? So, like, when can I expect to see protestors shutting down Red Lobsters? And doesn’t your book specify that you are not to judge others? That you’re supposed to love everyone? Isn’t judgement of others the duty of your God only, as so specified in your book? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/22 "2013-06-05T18:16:57Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > He did come back to post more. It’s more like he’s circling the block. > > Of course, that doesn’t mean he’ll actually answer any questions. Right now he’s busy [moving San Diego to Alaska.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=692965) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/23 "2013-06-05T18:20:00Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] Therefore are homosexuals really just athesist denying that God the father has tagged sex with another male (among other things they do wrong) as a sin? [/QUOTE] Is it me or does tagging sex with another male sound gay to anybody else? And speak for yourself as to who’s doing it wrong. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] If you knew beyond a doubt that you would pay for your sins in hell … wouldn’t you want to repent? [/QUOTE] I’ll take the physical challenge or deathbed conversion option. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] I’m sure there are many homosexuals that have repented and fear God and His word to this day. [/quote] They’re called Choir Directors. Except on Craig’s List, where they’re called _VersBottom Tambourine Bear Wants One Night Hookup_. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] Repent means change your mind about what sin is … [/QUOTE] [No it doesn’t.](https://www.google.com/search?q=define+repent&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=) [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] The blood of Jesus Christ only pays for the sins you repent of [/QUOTE] Can’t use it for Amazon purchases, though. Bastards aren’t even nice about it. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] You will hear about the sins you didn’t repent of on judgement day. [/QUOTE] My mother’s going to be there on Judgement Day? Otherwise, I can’t think of anything more boring to me and the person reciting than to hear about my own sins; I was there when I was committing them and they weren’t that interesting then. I can only imagine what they’d be like just hearing about them, especially given how many ways religious people can fuck up even a good story. I’d much ratehr hear about the sins _someone else_ didn’t repent of- Michael Jackson maybe, or, ooh, Jim Morrison- I’ll bet that boy had some sins that would put Stalin to shame. And that’s not just being selfish- I think it would be interesting to the person telling me about them as well. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] Now if you are an athesist that is your decision … no arguement if you are a homosexual that is your decision … no arguement. [/QUOTE] That is my final answer. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] but if you are a Christian then the rules are very plain [/quote] Like an old maid Amish librarian’s doll. [QUOTE=Mr. Quatro] follow Jesus and not the flesh of your desires. [/quote] Actually, an alarming number of gay singles ads clearly say “No fatties”, so they’re not about following the flesh to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/24 "2013-06-05T18:21:21Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > He did come back to post more. It’s more like he’s circling the block. > > Of course, that doesn’t mean he’ll actually answer any questions. If you steal a candy bar in a store that you could’ve paid for and walk out and don’t feel guilty … is that a sign that you did not sin. Same with men with men if you practice this and don’t feel guilty then does that mean it is not a sin. It is the Word of God that convicts you of sin Faith comes by hearing the word of God not denying the word of God You have to get this Word of God into you and not the thoughts of man Definition of guilty (adj) 1.responsible for wrongdoing: responsible for a crime, wrong action, or error and deserving punishment, blame, or criticism 2.officially found responsible for crime: found and declared responsible for committing an offense by a court or other legal authority **3.ashamed of wrongdoing: aware of having done wrong or committed a crime and regretful and ashamed about it** ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/25 "2013-06-05T18:21:58Z")
No, there are most certainly homosexuals that are also christian. They likely cherry pick like the rest of you. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/26 "2013-06-05T18:23:35Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > after all this is the work of the Holy spirit to comvict you of sin > > 2 Corinthians 13:5 > > Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified. > > 2 Corinthians 13:8 > For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. > Galatians 3:11 > But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” > > Galatians 4:16 > Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? > > Galatians 5:14-16 > For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. > > **Galatians 5:19-21 > Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred , contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath , selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.** Olanzapine Instructions: Take orally, once per day. With food. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/27 "2013-06-05T18:25:18Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > If you steal a candy bar in a store that you could’ve paid for and walk out and don’t feel guilty … is that a sign that you did not sin. > > Same with men with men if you practice this and don’t feel guilty then does that mean it is not a sin. > > It is the Word of God that convicts you of sin > > Faith comes by hearing the word of God not denying the word of God > > You have to get this Word of God into you and not the thoughts of man > > Definition of guilty (adj) > 1.responsible for wrongdoing: responsible for a crime, wrong action, or error and deserving punishment, blame, or criticism > 2.officially found responsible for crime: found and declared responsible for committing an offense by a court or other legal authority > **3.ashamed of wrongdoing: aware of having done wrong or committed a crime and regretful and ashamed about it** Would it be wrong to be Gay for Jesus? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/28 "2013-06-05T18:30:21Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > No, there are most certainly homosexuals that are also christian. Many of them are priests who tell their congregations that gays are sinners! > [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > because there are no holes in my bible that this practice is sinfully wrong. The hole thing is made up. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/29 "2013-06-05T18:42:45Z")
One of the gay couples on this very message board have a developmentally disabled brother/brother in law living with them. I’m friends with them on LiveJournal. They do a fine, loving job of caring for this man. Any deity who would call them sinners and cast them out is no deity I want to worship. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/30 "2013-06-05T18:48:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Many of them are priests who tell their congregations that gays are sinners! This would only be hypocritical if they claimed that they themselves were not sinners. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/31 "2013-06-05T19:01:08Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > This would only be hypocritical if they claimed that they themselves were not sinners. A nice try. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/32 "2013-06-05T19:05:59Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > If you steal a candy bar in a store that you could’ve paid for and walk out and don’t feel guilty … is that a sign that you did not sin. > > Same with men with men if you practice this and don’t feel guilty then does that mean it is not a sin. What about those who sin by doing crop rotation, hybrid cattle breeding or wearing poly-cotton blends. [QUOTE=Levticus 19:19] Keep my decrees. 'Do not mate different kinds of animals. Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. [/QUOTE] Are they atheists too? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/33 "2013-06-05T19:20:48Z")
I am a homosexual (to use the OP’s preferred term). I simply don’t accept the authority of the Bible. It’s an interesting collection of texts, but taken as a whole not something I want anyone to base their lives on. I’m against slavery, for example, though the Bible is for it. The New Testament commandments excerpted and posted by **Prof. Pepperwinkle** , on the other hand, are excellent guides to morality. You think homosexuality is sinful? Fine, don’t do it. Simple as that. We are fortunate that we do not have morality police, so sins are quite properly between the individual, his or her immediate circle, possible a priest, and God (or the gods, or his / her conscience—again, the details are not your affair). If you want to know WHY people are homosexual despite the evidence of the Bible, there’s a ton of information out there, but it boils down to (1) biology on the one hand, and (2) Christianity not being the only or even the best option on the other. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/34 "2013-06-05T19:24:05Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > \Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?\. Sounds kinda gay to me. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/35 "2013-06-05T19:29:38Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They’re called Choir Directors. Except on Craig’s List, where they’re called _VersBottom Tambourine Bear Wants One Night Hookup_. And Republican Congressmen. > [@](#): > > Can’t use it for Amazon purchases, though. Bastards aren’t even nice about it. How much is it in bitcoins? Maybe we can figure out the wages of sin while we’re at it. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/36 "2013-06-05T19:34:01Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > Now if you are an athesist that is your decision … no arguement > if you are a homosexual that is your decision … no arguement > > but if you are a Christian then the rules are very plain > follow Jesus and not the flesh of your desires. So, when did you decide to be straight? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/37 "2013-06-05T19:34:16Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > No, there are most certainly homosexuals that are also christian. They likely cherry pick like the rest of you. I’m Presbyterian. We, as a denomination, are having a long serious conversation about LGTB not only as members of the congregation, but as ministes as well. It’s called [More Light](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Light_Presbyterians). Since the matter is sensitive, some of us are moving faster than the rest towards this, but nobody’s suggesting the LGTB community are to be anything but welcomed. There’s been over two decades of discussion on the meanings of the relevant scriptures. The first congregation to make a formal statement from the pulpit declaring itself a More Light Church was West Park Presbyterian Church in Manhattan in 1978 [Glaser, Chris (1997) “Writings of Our Movement in the Presbyterian Church - Part Two - The Early Middly Years 1978-1979” in Illuminations 1997" At that time, Rev. Robert Davidson, pastor of West Park made the following statement from the pulpit: "In harmony with the General Assembly of the United Presbyterian Church, West-Park Church affirms the civil rights of all person. Further, in keeping with our General Assembly’s guidelines, this community of faith welcomes as members homosexual persons who both seek and have found Christ’s love. This local congregation will not select one particular element from a person’s total humanity as a basis for denying full participation and service in the body of Christ. Nor will this community of faith condemn or judge our brothers and sisters who declare their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and promise discipleship to Him. We affirm that in meeting each other in Christian love. God’s spirit frees us all to live and grow, liberated from the oppression invoked upon us by ourselves and others. Within this context, West-Park Presbyterian Church reaches out to Christian and non-Christian homosexual persons with a ministry of support, caring and openness—a ministry in which the creative, liberating power of the Holy Spirit rules and guides." So, yes, there are openly gay ministers in the Presbyterian church. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/38 "2013-06-05T20:14:43Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > **Galatians 5:19-21 > Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred , contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath , selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.** Where do you see anything about homosexuality in there? Also, who cares if gays are Christian? Isn’t it more important to ask whether they’re members of proper religions? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/39 "2013-06-05T20:20:41Z")
let’s also hear the outrage over the people who wilfully dissent. How about those who envy? I presume they are also atheists. And to engage in revelry? Yeah, you pretty much have to be an atheist there too. Don’t get me started on drunkenness! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/40 "2013-06-05T20:22:07Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > How much is it in bitcoins? Maybe we can figure out the wages of sin while we’re at it. I think the minimum wages of sin are set by the state and municipalities, though it is federal regulation that you get a 30 minute break for every 8 hours of sin. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225.md?page=3)