# Could it be possible that homosexuals are really athesist **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 5, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225 "2013-06-05T17:35:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/81 "2013-06-06T05:21:07Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Please show us where your book indicates you get to dictate your beliefs to others. I’m pretty sure the bible specifically tells you to worry about your own salvation and let others worry about theirs. Maybe you’re reading a different bible? Well, yes, and then there’s the bit about only praying in your closet. But, the Bible also does tell Christians to preach the Word to all the world, don’t hide your light beneath a bushel, etc., etc. I think Jesus may have been conflicted on certain points. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/82 "2013-06-06T05:23:08Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > If God forgives all sins, what makes one sin so bad? If we accept for the sake of argument that homosexuality is a sin, why is it worse than any other sin? Because ick. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/83 "2013-06-06T05:25:23Z")
> [@Asympotically\_fat](#): > > Resolved:gayness is crypto-atheism. No, no, other way 'round, atheism is crypto-gayness! **Real** men love Jesus! Physically! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/84 "2013-06-06T05:26:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What you are doing here: Does it ever work? If you drive more people away from your religion then towards your religion what is St. Peter going to say to _you_ at the gate? “Come in, there’s plenty of room . . . I just don’t understand it . . .” ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/85 "2013-06-06T05:28:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, yes, and then there’s the bit about only praying in your closet. But, the Bible also does tell Christians to preach the Word to all the world, don’t hide your light beneath a bushel, etc., etc. > > I think Jesus may have been conflicted on certain points. Preaching is quite a different task then praying. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/86 "2013-06-06T07:29:34Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > “Lord Jesus, I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do in or of myself to get to heaven” > > “I recognize the shed blood on the cross that you shed for me” > > “I ask you into my heart … please forgive me of my sins” > > “I wish to live my life for you” > > signed: \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ After I read that I passed gas… was that the sin escaping or should I be worried? ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/87 "2013-06-06T08:41:17Z")
> [@Mr\_Quatro](#): > > **Galatians 5:19-21 > Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred , contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath , selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.** Therefore, all drinkers are atheists. Q.E.D. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/88 "2013-06-06T11:41:58Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > After I read that I passed gas… was that the sin escaping or should I be worried? That’s only a sin if you’re a [Slitheen](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slitheen). ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/89 "2013-06-06T12:14:06Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Are they repentent? Yes, they are. “for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. But not because they’re gay. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/90 "2013-06-06T12:20:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, no, other way 'round, atheism is crypto-gayness! **Real** men love Jesus! Physically! Jesus, take the gearknob! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/91 "2013-06-06T12:50:59Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Yes, they are. “for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. > But not because they’re gay. Ok, but they must turn away from their sin right? They can’t just willingly continue to have homosexual sex and think they are going to get into heaven can they? ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/92 "2013-06-06T13:16:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :o Look, that’s not fair, I thought it was a **female** lobster, OK?! As long as you don’t blow a Seal. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/93 "2013-06-06T13:20:01Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Ok, but they must turn away from their sin right? They can’t just willingly continue to have homosexual sex and think they are going to get into heaven can they? Without rehashing a 30-year-long argument that I only know part of: yes, because, not being literalists, they view the Bible’s dicta against homosexuality as part of an ancient cultural bias on the part of human society, rather than a God-given edict. They point (a lot) to the scientific studies that indicate (but, AFAIK, haven’t been definitively proven) that some people are born gay, that their brain chemistry is such that they are wired that way. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/94 "2013-06-06T13:28:42Z")
The Bible is against fornication, straight or gay. The Bible says nothing directly against gay marriage. One can easily assume that any and all slams against gay sex in the Bible are just special cases of the anti-fornication rule, not anything specific against gay sex in general. Anyway, does the OP also assume that anyone who wears clothing made of two different materials are atheists? How about a cheeseburger eater? And of course lobster eaters are the worst atheists of all. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/95 "2013-06-06T13:35:35Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Therefore, all drinkers are atheists. Q.E.D. And [overeaters](http://biblehub.com/proverbs/23-2.htm). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/96 "2013-06-06T13:49:26Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > As long as you don’t blow a Seal. So Heidi Klum’s going to Hell? ---
**Author:** ![Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/section_maker_jupe/32/1424_2.png) [@Section\_Maker\_Jupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Section_Maker_Jupe)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/97 "2013-06-06T14:55:24Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > So Heidi Klum’s going to Hell? I hope so!! Maybe i could get meet her. The OP’s posting style, and spelling out “y’all” …?? Makes me suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/98 "2013-06-06T15:54:49Z")
Are vegans especially religious because they never violate any of the dietary laws? I find the original post to be stupid and offensive. An idiotic attack on atheists, gays and lesbians, and thinking believers. The Bible says over 3000 times to help the poor and heal the sick. Focusing on the anus of others is not really mentioned. You think being gay is a sin, then don’t do it. You want to be a good Christian, then help the poor and heal the sick and stop ignoring that message. ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/99 "2013-06-06T16:35:25Z")
None of the quotes from the bible condemn homosexuality, unless you include fornication (which is having sex with anyone you’re not married to) … but many gays would love to get married. How do you pick which parts of the Bible to heed and which to ignore? The clearest citation against homosexuality is in Leviticus – right near where it tells how much to pay for a slave, that witches should be burned, that women must cover their heads in church, and that women must not cook for men during their periods. (My wife wants to start adhering to that last one.) Just how do you pick and choose? What’s the logic behind it? And can you find any actual references against homosexuality in the Bible? Other than the one above, where it says (even in original languages) “man lie with man” (and ignores women lying with women, so that’s OK?) … other than that one, most simply use the term “sodomy”, which isn’t clearly defined anywhere, and is ambiguous even in the original language. When you’re interpreting these phrases in the Bible, do you consider what it meant in the original language? Or do you assume some particular translation was guided by God? How do you pick which one? Or do you just take your preacher’s word for it, and ignore what the Bible actually says? ---
**Author:** ![tbook](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/df705f/32.png) [@tbook](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tbook)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225/100 "2013-06-06T16:39:41Z")
Voyager: > [@](#): > > Ah, so I get paid more for sin in California than in Alabama. That explains a lot. However, given the cost of living and sinning, I think I’m going on strike and not sinning anymore until I get a raise . Having lived in both states I think you get more for your money in California. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-it-be-possible-that-homosexuals-are-really-athesist/660225.md?page=6)