# Could someone explain the whole thing about ZPG Zealot? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 16, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731 "2012-01-16T21:24:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/141 "2012-01-17T23:10:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Many people have extended family they must help or those people, already born and breathing, will face very dire lives. Money taken for child support for an unwanted birth does take money from other family members that way. . Then either do not fuck outside the marriage, or do not fuck without birth control. If you are female and rape is a consideration, go on birth control. Simple. If you fuck a fertile woman with no birth control, consider a resulting child your penalty and learn from the experience. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/142 "2012-01-17T23:48:19Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Then either do not fuck outside the marriage, or do not fuck without birth control. If you are female and rape is a consideration, go on birth control. Simple. > > If you fuck a fertile woman with no birth control, consider a resulting child your penalty and learn from the experience. Well, birth control does fail sometimes - you have to accept a tiny amount of risk with any fertile woman if you’re a fertile male. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/143 "2012-01-17T23:56:10Z")
Hence, handguns. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/144 "2012-01-18T00:05:48Z")
I’d stick a hand out in front of her. But it wouldn’t be to shake. Because only one of my fingers would be sticking up. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/145 "2012-01-18T00:15:20Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > For example right now my salary from two jobs, one in academics, the other in entertainment (fortunetelling)… I would like to know what kind of academics you are involved in if you would care to share. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/146 "2012-01-18T00:17:25Z")
I believe she’s a librarian. ---
**Author:** ![Dublin11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dublin11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dublin11)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/147 "2012-01-18T00:29:57Z")
Surely the Roma are a traditional, patriarchal society in which a woman’s place is at home minding children and looking after the menfolk? What is a proud Roma woman doing going out to work and holding down two jobs that should be done by men? Her husband should be putting bread on the table for her and her children. It must be shameful that he’s not, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/148 "2012-01-18T00:31:07Z")
> [@Dublin11](#): > > Surely the Roma are a traditional, patriarchal society in which a woman’s place is at home minding children and looking after the menfolk? > What is a proud Roma woman doing going out to work and holding down two jobs that should be done by men? Her husband should be putting bread on the table for her and her children. It must be shameful that he’s not, I suppose. Your confusing Roma with Traveler. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/149 "2012-01-18T00:40:07Z")
> [@Meyer6](#): > > Well maybe if you have a low income job or a lot of people depending on you and you can’t possibly deal with a child, you shouldn’t be having potentially reproductive sex with someone. Or if you do, you should talk about the possible results of said sex with your partner and figure out what will happen if the woman does happen to become pregnant. If you had a mutual agreement to abortion and she backs out of it, then you might have grounds for not supporting the resulting child (not legally, but morally). If you never talked about it, or if you knew that she didn’t believe in abortion, then you get what you get. It turns out that there are repercussions to sexual activity. Who knew? > > Also - you support more than 30 people on one persons income? Damn, fortunetelling must be a hell of a lot more lucrative than I thought. But surely if you’re that wealthy one more wouldn’t make much difference. So in your world sex is only a privilege of the well to do? Seriously, I’ve always considered sex with a willing partner to be a basic human right. Birth control including abortion exists so that when that sex results in unwanted pregnancy people have recourses without creating catastrophes. Believe it or not plenty of people talk about sex with the partners, they come to agreements, and then they discover their partner is a lying weasel. And what part of helps support did you not read. In an extended family everyone pitches in together. True I’m a big earner, but not the only one and the loss of my income would severely affect many people. This is true in many families. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/150 "2012-01-18T00:43:06Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > So in your world sex is only a privilege of the well to do? Seriously, I’ve always considered sex with a willing partner to be a basic human right. It’s a privilege of those willing to take responsibility for their actions. And by take responsibility, I don’t mean smother the life from your three day old child while your babymama’s in the next room. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/151 "2012-01-18T00:43:55Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Your confusing Roma with Traveler. Roma aren’t traditionally patriarchal? I thought “Roma” transliterated from Romani as “the men?” ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/152 "2012-01-18T00:54:04Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > So in your world sex is only a privilege of the well to do? Seriously, I’ve always considered sex with a willing partner to be a basic human right. Birth control including abortion exists so that when that sex results in unwanted pregnancy people have recourses without creating catastrophes. Believe it or not plenty of people talk about sex with the partners, they come to agreements, and then they discover their partner is a lying weasel. > > And what part of helps support did you not read. In an extended family everyone pitches in together. True I’m a big earner, but not the only one and the loss of my income would severely affect many people. This is true in many families. I agree that (consensual) sex is a human right; like most rights, it comes with responsibilities. I sympathise with men who end up with kids they never wanted, but it’s biology that causes that to happen, nothing else. And, er, life is a basic human right too, and you’re advocating murder. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/153 "2012-01-18T00:57:32Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Some people get hostile when they can’t impose their beliefs on others. I’m proud of my Roma heritage and I don’t compromise my values for anyone. I am anti-adoption, pro-family, and I believe population countrol is the best way to create stable societies. > [@Broomstick](#): > > _:::scratches head:::_ > > So, if a child’s family are all deceased you are opposed to having that child adopted by someone? I don’t understand. You seriously think orphans should be abandoned entirely? > [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > This is the question I most want an answer to. Please - if **ZPG** could temporarily put aside all the other issues mentioned here, and answer that specific question - I’d love to hear it. Thanks. > [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes, I’m curious, too. > > Given the historical record, I can totally understand the Rom being opposed to children being parted from their _living_ parents, and they’re hardly the only ethnic group to suffer from stolen children (though, ironically, folk tales have it as the Rom being the child-thieves). It would, however, seem quite extreme to oppose adoption in all forms and at all times. Don’t look now but it seems the two of you are being ignored. ---
**Author:** ![Meyer6](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@Meyer6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meyer6)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/154 "2012-01-18T00:58:07Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > So in your world sex is only a privilege of the well to do? Seriously, I’ve always considered sex with a willing partner to be a basic human right. Don’t be stupid. Sex is, of course, for everyone. Sex that is utterly without consequences is a privilege of _nobody_, not even the well to do. If your partner turns out to be a lying weasel, well, maybe you should have gotten to know them better before you screwed them. Or maybe you should just realize that sometimes your actions have unpleasant consequences that you have to live with. > [@](#): > > And what part of helps support did you not read. In an extended family everyone pitches in together. True I’m a big earner, but not the only one and the loss of my income would severely affect many people. This is true in many families. I’m sure you’re a big wheel down at the library of metaphysical nonsense and all, but if there are other people earning good wages in your family then I suspect you are really overstating how dire the results of you supporting a child would be. Besides that, your family would not be suffering ‘the loss of your income’, you would be paying a set sum for child support monthly. They don’t take your whole paycheck. And anyways, what would happen if you lost your job or fell ill and couldn’t work as much? Would your whole giant family starve? Better make it illegal to fire people or let people have sick leave, since the consequences could be so terribly dire! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/155 "2012-01-18T01:25:52Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > It’s \*\*[sex] \*\*a privilege of those willing to take responsibility for their actions… I wish you would explain that to my cat. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/156 "2012-01-18T01:30:23Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Your confusing Roma with Traveler. Who’s horse was Roma? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/157 "2012-01-18T01:33:09Z")
This whole thread makes me want to go to the quarry and throw stuff. (Hey it’s much better than “shaking hands is rape”). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/158 "2012-01-18T01:33:44Z")
Mmmmmm, I love a Roma therapy. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/159 "2012-01-18T02:43:06Z")
> [@chacoguy](#): > > Who’s horse was Roma? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ExVoxMachina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@ExVoxMachina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExVoxMachina)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731/160 "2012-01-18T02:58:21Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Your confusing Roma with Traveler. It’s not. her beliefs about the Romani appear to be taken from some bad 40’s movie where by the full moon the women will curse you turning you into the Wolfman if you dare touch them, particularly the hand. Fortune teller indeed. I am curious, what tribe do you belong to? Please enlighten us? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-explain-the-whole-thing-about-zpg-zealot/609731.md?page=9)