# Could someone provide me with a handful of anti-Trump bullet points? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 1, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233 "2019-12-01T13:14:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/41 "2019-12-03T03:44:30Z")
[![](https://documents.buzzfeed.com/_NewsDesign/170427_fbi_annotations/Holmdel-Police-Report.jpg) ](https://documents.buzzfeed.com/_NewsDesign/170427_fbi_annotations/Holmdel-Police-Report.jpg) > **[The day the FTC shamed their boss](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/03/27/the-day-the-ftc-shamed-their-boss/)** > > One June 14th of 2018, the Trump Foundation was hit with a suit, accusing them of self-dealing, taking money from US military veterans to spend on paintings and campaigning. One month later, on Jul… > **[9/11](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/04/16/9-11/)** > > No personal opinion on Saudi Arabia’s complicity. But if I thought that they were guilty and complicit and killed “hundreds of my friends”, I feel like I’d at least wait unt… > **[Why is there no wall?](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/03/14/why-is-there-no-wall/)** > > From January 2017 to January 2019, the Republican President was blessed with: A Republican Senate A Republican House A Republican Supreme Court A Republican Executive Branch A key goal of these gro… > **[Loyalty](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/02/26/loyalty/)** > > I once made the argument that a person who practices Islam is more to blame for Islamic terrorism than a person who is Christian or Shinto or anything else, regardless of whether that person is inv… > **[John Casablancas](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/07/11/john-casablancas/)** > > In 1988, the New York media widely reported that John Casablancas – head of Elite Model Management – regularly slept with his underage models, 13 to 17. He was having an affair with a 1… > **[Epstein’s Little Black Book](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/07/14/epsteins-little-black-book/)** > > Items of evidence that Trump and Epstein were genuinely close: Trump said as much on a talk radio show in 2002. (Though, to be fair, Trump also says that he’s friends with Xi Jinping. It̵… > **[Gwendolyn Beck](https://publius2point0.wordpress.com/2019/09/03/gwendolyn-beck/)** > > Visit the post for more. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/42 "2019-12-03T06:04:50Z")
Since facts won’t convince worshipers of the God-Emperor, mind-altering drugs may be the only humane alternative long-term. Or subliminal hypnotic messages injected in Fox-Breitbart-Infowars-etc video feeds, with an unmasking to reveal the insectoid creature under the orange toupee. But don’t show the Pee Tape - it’s too exciting. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/43 "2019-12-03T06:14:29Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > **Mean Mr. Mustard** , > > Just a suggestion for you to mull over: Rather than trying to hit Uncle Bob with your prepped talking points at Christmas, why not engage him in a conversation. You might even consider doing it via email or an old-fashioned letter to give him some time to consider his responses and not leave him feeling ambushed. Ask him why he is fine with President Trump. What has he done that Uncle Bob approves of? Have there been things he’s done that Uncle Bob disapproves of? You might find that a more productive and interesting conversation. This, from the poster that defended Junior’s “trigger your family” tweet? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/44 "2019-12-03T07:29:14Z")
I definitely find myself in agreement with **KidCharlamagne** in terms of general approach, and I agree with the suggestion to not blindside someone. My question for the Dope is how many kids were separated at the border _before_ Trump/Millers zero tolerance era? I know that that law existed for awhile, but how often was it used? My understanding was that it was created to pull kids away from traffickers’, and I would have assumed it was invoked infrequently, but any numbers? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/45 "2019-12-03T09:32:53Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > My question for the Dope is how many kids were separated at the border _before_ Trump/Millers zero tolerance era? I know that that law existed for awhile, but how often was it used? My understanding was that it was created to pull kids away from traffickers’, and I would have assumed it was invoked infrequently, but any numbers? Traffickers, abusive parents, parents caught committing violent crimes, etc. I don’t know the numbers but given that those are all fairly rare things compared to simple, normal travel over the border by bland, ordinary people it’s reasonable to say that it should have been blindingly obvious to anyone with a brain that you would need to increase the human and physical resources devoted to jailing and prosecuting illegal immigrants by a hundred or thousand times to enact a zero tolerance policy and expect to accomplish anything except taxing the system and causing it to fail out and become even less effective at preventing illegal immigration than it already had been. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/46 "2019-12-03T13:25:50Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You undermine the chain of command when you reach down through the ranks and pardon someone who was convicted of a crime by a jury of his own peers, even before the ink has dried. Are you serious? The President is looking out for the little guy, making sure that the liberal deep state military judicial establishment isn’t punishing true warriors who know what needs to be done to kill ISIS and protect America! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/47 "2019-12-03T15:34:38Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > This, from the poster that defended Junior’s “trigger your family” tweet? You were in that thread, so you ought to know that I said I consider it “bad form”. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/48 "2019-12-03T15:37:24Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > … My question for the Dope is how many kids were separated at the border _before_ Trump/Millers zero tolerance era? I know that that law existed for awhile, but how often was it used? My understanding was that it was created to pull kids away from traffickers’, and I would have assumed it was invoked infrequently, but any numbers? I’ve never seen any Doper provide a number for what you ask. They usually handwave it away. Cognitive dissonance in action. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/49 "2019-12-03T15:39:31Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > You were in that thread, so you ought to know that I said I consider it “bad form”. What you actually did was try to turn it into an “Obama did it too!” thread. > [@Trump Jr. asks supporters to deliberately create conflict during Thanksgiving](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-jr-asks-supporters-to-deliberately-create-conflict-during-thanksgiving/844142/42): > > Even with the roles as they actually are, I consider it “bad form”. Can I ask your opinion of Obama’s “get in their faces” quote? (please note, I don’t want to sidetrack the thread with that tangent, just a simple “approve” or “disapprove” from you should suffice) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/50 "2019-12-03T15:43:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’ve never seen any Doper provide a number for what you ask. They usually handwave it away. Cognitive dissonance in action. When we don’t have the numbers requested, it isn’t “Cognitive dissonance” not to make numbers up. If _you_ have those numbers, of course, then accuse away. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/51 "2019-12-03T15:47:24Z")
So we have 3 actions (by me) here: urging MMM to have a polite conversation with Uncle Bob, disapproving of Donald Trump Jr’s “trigger your family” invitation, and disapproving of Obama’s “get in their faces” suggestion. Those all seem remarkably consistent with a “let’s be civil to each other” attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/52 "2019-12-03T16:18:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Are you serious? The President is looking out for the little guy, making sure that the liberal deep state military judicial establishment isn’t punishing true warriors who know what needs to be done to kill ISIS and protect America! And that’s exactly what I heard from a retired Navy lifer who I talked to about this - well, not exactly exactly, because he’s not a Trump partisan on other issues. But he said: “A platoon chief with 8 deployments under his belt doesn’t deserve to lose his Trident because he was convicted of posing in a photo with a corpse. He was acquitted of the other stuff. The guys at the ‘tip of the spear’ who are out there doing the hardest jobs in the military need to know that someone has their back.” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/53 "2019-12-03T16:50:40Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > And that’s exactly what I heard from a retired Navy lifer who I talked to about this - well, not exactly exactly, because he’s not a Trump partisan on other issues. But he said: “A platoon chief with 8 deployments under his belt doesn’t deserve to lose his Trident because he was convicted of posing in a photo with a corpse. He was acquitted of the other stuff. The guys at the ‘tip of the spear’ who are out there doing the hardest jobs in the military need to know that someone has their back.” The guys that you need to have your back are the guys _in_ your platoon. If they’ve reported you for what they believed to be war crimes, it should be of little comfort to you to have a president who was too much of a coward to serve to be watching your back. Especially given the president’s backstabbing record. Also, I read **manson1972** comments as being facetious. I stand corrected if otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/54 "2019-12-03T20:00:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’ve never seen any Doper provide a number for what you ask. They usually handwave it away. Cognitive dissonance in action. So you’re saying it’s cognitively dissonant to _not_ see equivalency between the 2 administrations on this issue? Got any numbers to back that up? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/55 "2019-12-03T21:05:47Z")
There is no Democratic policy that deliberately separated children from their families. This White House deliberately separated children from families, and they explained why - they’re on record as advocating deliberately harming children by separating them from families to serve as a deterrent to future migrants. I’m unaware of any other president from either party who ever advocated this. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/56 "2019-12-04T00:46:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > they’re on record as advocating deliberately harming children by separating them from families to serve as a deterrent to future migrants. A pretty good summation of terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/57 "2019-12-05T22:45:45Z")
You can’t convince him from across the table. You might be able to move him a distance on the porch sitting side by side and talking over a beer. You’d have to be an _exceptionally_ intellectually honest person to give any ground in a confrontation, especially with an audience. I know pitifully few of those on my own side in politics or even among my friends and I certainly don’t count myself among them. I treasure them when they’re the opposite of the isle, like the former National Auditor (Per Kristian Foss) who brought down his own government’s plans and plots several time with an astounding brutal integrity. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/58 "2019-12-06T15:45:49Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The guys that you need to have your back are the guys _in_ your platoon. If they’ve reported you for what they believed to be war crimes, it should be of little comfort to you to have a president who was too much of a coward to serve to be watching your back. Especially given the president’s backstabbing record. > > Also, I read **manson1972** comments as being facetious. I stand corrected if otherwise. Facetious from me, yeah. But like **Lamoral** it’s exactly what I heard from Trump supporting military retirees. Of course these are the same people who think a Sikh service member having a beard is the end of the military as we know it :rolleyes: Trump pardoning convicted war criminals? Protecting the military Obama commuting Manning’s sentence? A slap in the face to the military You really can’t win. Anything that Trump does is automatically the right thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233/59 "2019-12-06T17:41:37Z")
Getting a measured number of talking points would be like measuring six tablespoons of water out of a fire hose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-someone-provide-me-with-a-handful-of-anti-trump-bullet-points/844233.md?page=2)