# Could the right makeup make this young woman more attractive or not? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 10, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014 "2015-12-10T00:51:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/1 "2015-12-10T00:51:31Z")
This person is Abigail Fisher [and is in the news](http://jezebel.com/noted-dummy-abigail-fishers-rights-werent-violated-rul-1606064206)as part of a SCOTUS case regarding affirmative action. The case aside for the moment she intrigues me because she has gorgeous hair like golden red sunshine but her face is … (IMO) not all that attractive. But why? I was trying to parse out what the specific off putting part of he face was and I could not do it. [She’s not overweight](http://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/10/09/us/jp-ADMISSIONS-1_span/jp-ADMISSIONS-1-superJumbo.jpg)and has a fairly attractive figure. There’s nothing specific about her face that is discreetly “wrong” it just does not seem to come together. Is this some trick of the light or fixable by makeup? ---
**Author:** ![Leo\_Krupe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Leo\_Krupe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leo_Krupe)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/2 "2015-12-10T00:56:46Z")
Opinions differ, and all that, but to me, her problem is she’s a redhead. I haven’t liked redheads since a girl named Donna in my second grade class caused problems. Horrible problems. Terrible problems. But the thread’s not about me. I don’t care for her skin tone, and her nose is too broad. If she weren’t a redhead, and had the same facial features, I’d say it’d be fixable with makeup (she also wouldn’t have the redhead’s pale skin tone). But she’s a redhead, so I say no. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/3 "2015-12-10T00:57:08Z")
Her features look not masculine but maleish if that makes any sense. ETA: First link. In the second link it’s not as evident. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/4 "2015-12-10T00:57:39Z")
Clearly she is not beautiful INSIDE, so the fairies came to her in the wee hours of the night and made her face plain. No makeup gonna fix that. If she drops this stupid case and atones for her actions, the fairies will return and shower her with gold dust. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/5 "2015-12-10T01:04:15Z")
She’s not like a troll that crawled out of the garbage but she has a face like a little rascal or something. Make-up would probably help, that and tweezing her eyebrows. Google some makeup before and after pics and you will see it makes a huge difference that a woman would probably easily see through, but probably not the average guy. The differences can be striking. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/6 "2015-12-10T01:07:16Z")
In a random poll, the subject received a highly favorable rating from [this](http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=12021700) participant. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/7 "2015-12-10T01:07:51Z")
As I look at the pictures, she seems to have no chin. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/8 "2015-12-10T01:08:09Z")
She looks 12. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/9 "2015-12-10T01:09:14Z")
She looks better in the second picture from this article: [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215232/Supreme-Court-hear-case-white-student-claims-affirmative-action-cost-college-place.html](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215232/Supreme-Court-hear-case-white-student-claims-affirmative-action-cost-college-place.html) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/10 "2015-12-10T01:10:16Z")
Even I find this question absurdly shallow, ridiculously sexist, and disturbingly objectifying. ---
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/11 "2015-12-10T01:12:11Z")
So just talking about someone’s appearance is sexist? Shallow sure, but lots of things are shallow. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/12 "2015-12-10T01:13:06Z")
She definitely has the Peppermint Patty look. I don’t think she’s hideous. But she’s plain. Make-up is good for fixing “plain”. Also, she hasn’t mastered the art of the photogenic smile. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/13 "2015-12-10T01:16:56Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Even I find this question absurdly shallow, ridiculously sexist, and disturbingly objectifying. I agree! You need to attach a poll to quantify the outrage properly. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/14 "2015-12-10T01:26:52Z")
She’s got a face for radio. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/15 "2015-12-10T01:28:05Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > So just talking about someone’s appearance is sexist? Shallow sure, but lots of things are shallow. Sorry, but I had the same reaction as **Skald**. People don’t talk this way about men. She’s not trying to look attractive for you, nor should she be. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/16 "2015-12-10T01:32:43Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > So just talking about someone’s appearance is sexist? Shallow sure, but lots of things are shallow. I honestly cannot recall ever seeing a thread like this with a man as its target (‘hey, look at this guy, how could he improve his appearance? Let’s discuss!’). The closest I can get to that is threads in Café Society about a male celebrity whose appearance has suddenly taken a nosedive and people are speculating about his health/possible substance abuse. No one’s offering makeup tips there. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/17 "2015-12-10T01:40:05Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > I honestly cannot recall ever seeing a thread like this with a man as its target (‘hey, look at this guy, how could he improve his appearance? Let’s discuss!’). The closest I can get to that is threads in Café Society about a male celebrity whose appearance has suddenly taken a nosedive and people are speculating about his health/possible substance abuse. No one’s offering makeup tips there. Well, we did do this thread: [This guy’s face creeps me the hell out](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=637583) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/18 "2015-12-10T01:40:54Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > I honestly cannot recall ever seeing a thread like this with a man as its target (‘hey, look at this guy, how could he improve his appearance? Let’s discuss!’). Is it better or worse that folks mock John Boehner for his orange complexion _without_ suggesting that he should maybe apply a light foundation of pancake makeup? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/19 "2015-12-10T01:43:01Z")
I agree, the thread is rather sexist - isn’t this objectification again? ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/20 "2015-12-10T01:43:22Z")
If you had set me up on a blind date with someone who looked like her, I’d be pleased with her appearance. I don’t think I’d get along terribly well with this particular person, based on the limited amount I know about her. I like of like basic & ungilded / unadorned. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014.md?page=2)