# Could the right makeup make this young woman more attractive or not? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 10, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014 "2015-12-10T00:51:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/61 "2015-12-10T15:47:44Z")
the difference between this and the supposed comments on the appearance of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell is that people set out to say something insulting about them for various reasons, and grabbed their appearance as the vehicle. This was just a swipe at a woman for not doing what men think she’s supposed to do. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/62 "2015-12-10T16:18:02Z")
Not always. I never really had a problem with Boehner (at least not beyond those I’d have with any Republican) but his coloring really freaked me out. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/63 "2015-12-10T16:22:24Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Not always. I never really had a problem with Boehner (at least not beyond those I’d have with any Republican) but his coloring really freaked me out. I was immunized by watching the _1971 Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory._ ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/64 "2015-12-10T16:27:32Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > the difference between this and the supposed comments on the appearance of John Boehner and Mitch McConnell is that people set out to say something insulting about them for various reasons, and grabbed their appearance as the vehicle. This was just a swipe at a woman for not doing what men think she’s supposed to do. You DO know why this particular person is in the news, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/65 "2015-12-10T16:43:20Z")
I think it needs to be pointed out that both members here and the media in general (by using unflattering pics) are viewing her looks as being less than stellar because she is daring to question the sacredness of affirmative action, which is like questioning the validity of global warming. Affirmative action is, and always was, nothing more than govt sectioned discrimination. And while it had practical and noble roots in its creation its expiration date is \*loooooong \*since past. The only reasons it can’t be ended (or even lessened) is once you start giving people something they didn’t earn they will \*\*\*never \*\*\*stop asking for it. And because it is one of the tent-pole issues underlying political correctness and liberal white guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/66 "2015-12-10T16:48:27Z")
It didn’t. But thanks anyway. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/67 "2015-12-10T16:58:58Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/68 "2015-12-10T17:09:20Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Sure, but I was replying to **even sven** ’s line about how ‘unattractive, but here’s what could be done about it’ is more problematic than ‘unattractive, period’. > > I said the flipside struck me as being just as bad or worse – and so of course have no bone to pick with a decision of “basically equally problematic”. It’s the sense that you have some kind of stake in how she presents herself that is problematic. Think about an 80 year old woman. Some take care to wear tailored clothes and put on makeup. Some stopped doing that long ago. When you meet a random 80 year old woman, you probably aren’t putting a lot of thought into which type she is. Both are equally valid. You may think “Wow, Mabel is stating to show her age”, but you aren’t sitting around thinking “Gee, Mavis really should put on some lipstick.” You don’t feel like you have a stake in it. But when a young woman chooses not to focus on beauty, this isn’t seen as just a neutral personal choice like it is for everyone else. It’s seen as a kind of public act, open to public discussion and troubleshooting. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/69 "2015-12-10T17:11:48Z")
Her face is rotund and masculine. Could makeup fix that, I don’t know. I once saw a YouTube video where a. Woman whose face was a 4 manages to change it to an 8 with makeup. It was amazing, she even somehow changed her jaw appearance, don’t ask me how. Anyway, probably but not by a lot. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/70 "2015-12-10T17:18:30Z")
> [@article in the OP](#): > > As for Fisher, the student whose parents are UT alum and was really hoping to utilize that same alumni pool despite lacking the grades or SAT test scores to really be down, says she’ll continue her lawsuit. So she’s suing because of race-based AA but she was trying get in to UT as a legacy student? If this is true, it’s not her looks that make her deserving of mockery. ---
**Author:** ![SUZ\_MAC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@SUZ\_MAC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SUZ_MAC)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/71 "2015-12-10T17:58:55Z")
I agree that she does look more masculine than feminine. Make-up might help, but not much I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/72 "2015-12-10T18:34:05Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Her face is rotund and masculine. Could makeup fix that, I don’t know. Her biggest problem is that she’s rather reminiscent of a young Mickey Rooney in drag. There’s no sugar-coating the fact that she’s not good looking at all. That said, hair and makeup’s generally good for 1-2 points on the ten point beauty scale, so why not go for it? It’s unlikely to make her look worse. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/73 "2015-12-10T19:16:36Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > You DO know why this particular person is in the news, don’t you? I could not disagree with her more, politically, but a private individual should be able to file a law-suit without becoming a public figure. It’s not the same as running for office, or for going into entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/74 "2015-12-10T20:17:29Z")
> [@astro](#): > > This person is Abigail Fisher [and is in the news](http://jezebel.com/noted-dummy-abigail-fishers-rights-werent-violated-rul-1606064206)as part of a SCOTUS case regarding affirmative action. > > The case aside for the moment she intrigues me because she has gorgeous hair like golden red sunshine but her face is … (IMO) not all that attractive. But why? > > I was trying to parse out what the specific off putting part of he face was and I could not do it. [She’s not overweight](http://static01.nyt.com/images/2012/10/09/us/jp-ADMISSIONS-1_span/jp-ADMISSIONS-1-superJumbo.jpg)and has a fairly attractive figure. There’s nothing specific about her face that is discreetly “wrong” it just does not seem to come together. > > Is this some trick of the light or fixable by makeup? It is a combination of things. She is out of shape (mostly lacking muscle tone) and wearing clothes that either accentuate that or are too dowdy. She needs a good cut and style instead of her current 12 year old Catholic school girl style hair and her eyebrows need professional shaping. Complete lack of style. If I were her, I would look into a brow lift (cheap and recovery is just a few days), chin/jaw work and a nose job. Just a little work could really transform her face. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/75 "2015-12-10T20:38:45Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > The girl _does_ give off Peppermint Patty vibes. > [@bump](#): > > Her biggest problem is that she’s rather reminiscent of a young Mickey Rooney in drag. As long as we’re playing Who does she remind you of, I’m seeing a mixture of Ron Weasley, Chelsea Clinton, and a _Partridge Family_-era Danny Bonaduce. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/76 "2015-12-10T21:03:39Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > If I were her, I would look into a brow lift (cheap and recovery is just a few days), chin/jaw work and a nose job. Just a little work could really transform her face. Why don’t you recommend spleen removal and appendectomy while you’re at it? Seriously, your reaction to seeing a woman a bit on the plain side is to recommend _surgery?_ WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/77 "2015-12-10T21:14:20Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Why don’t you recommend spleen removal and appendectomy while you’re at it? > > Seriously, your reaction to seeing a woman a bit on the plain side is to recommend _surgery?_ WTF? I agree with Broomstick, WTF? I’d be annoyed if someone told me I should wear more makeup, but I’d go a bit mental if they recommended that I should have surgery. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/78 "2015-12-10T21:16:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Why don’t you recommend spleen removal and appendectomy while you’re at it? > > Seriously, your reaction to seeing a woman a bit on the plain side is to recommend _surgery?_ WTF? Women are decoration, don’t’cha know. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/79 "2015-12-10T21:51:33Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > You DO know why this particular person is in the news, don’t you? Yeah but lets not talk about that. Lets talk about how she needs to get fixed, either through make-up or surgery, so that astro can get a boner. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014/80 "2015-12-10T22:00:06Z")
Why some women get their ribs removed to attain a certain aesthetic: [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3333707/Pixee-Fox-spends-120k-15-surgeries-6-RIBS-removed-look-like-Jessica-Rabit.html](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3333707/Pixee-Fox-spends-120k-15-surgeries-6-RIBS-removed-look-like-Jessica-Rabit.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-the-right-makeup-make-this-young-woman-more-attractive-or-not/740014.md?page=5)