# Could there be a Queen Meghan? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 23, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691 "2018-05-23T18:17:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/61 "2018-05-24T14:01:12Z")
He’s Charles Phillip Arthur George. Could there even be a King Arthur II when it’s not sure there was actually a King Arthur I? He’s also known to have been very fond of his uncle, Louis Mountbatten - but King Louis is a French and Disney name, so maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/62 "2018-05-24T14:16:50Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s Charles Phillip Arthur George. Could there even be a King Arthur II when it’s not sure there was actually a King Arthur I? No. Edward I did not become Edward IV, since there had been three Saxon kings named Edward. So any modern day Arthur would be Arthur I. ---
**Author:** ![eburacum45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eburacum45/32/8690_2.png) [@eburacum45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eburacum45)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/63 "2018-05-24T14:23:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s also known to have been very fond of his uncle, Louis Mountbatten - but King Louis is a French and Disney name, so maybe not. One of the least known kings of England was Louis VIII of France > **[Louis VIII of France](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_VIII_of_France)** > > Louis VIII (5 September 1187 – 8 November 1226), nicknamed The Lion (French: Le Lion),\[a\] was King of France from 1223 to 1226. As a prince, he invaded England on 21 May 1216 and was excommunicated by a papal legate on 29 May 1216. On 2 June 1216, Louis was proclaimed "King of England" by rebellious barons in London, though never crowned. He soon seized half the English kingdom but was eventually defeated by the English. After the Treaty of Lambeth, he was paid 10,000 marks, pledged never to i... who was declared king on 2 June 1216 after a partially successful invasion, but was never crowned. Eventually they paid him 10,000 crowns to go away and pretend it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/64 "2018-05-24T14:46:49Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > The church has no say in whether Camilla is Queen or not. > > As others have noted, Camilla will be Queen, it’s just mooted that they royal family may decide not to refer to her as such, much as they don’t refer to her as the Princess of Wales, even though she is. There might be some debate in the church about whether she should be crowned as part of the coronation service, which is a religious sacrament as much as it is a constitutional ceremonial. You’re right that they have been playing this question very cautiously over the years as a consequence of You-Know-What, but there is a low-intensity, softly softly, PR process to create a sense of inevitability about the idea of her being referred to as Queen when the time comes. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/65 "2018-05-24T15:58:05Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > Actually Phillip only became King of Spain in 1556 - well after his marriage to Mary - but he was granted the title of King of England in 1554. I stand corrected. > [@](#): > > William of Orange also wasn’t a king previously. Yes, but he was invited over to become king and was made joint monarch (duarch?) by Parliament in 1689. Thus he was indeed a King in his own right. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/66 "2018-05-24T15:58:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s Charles Phillip Arthur George. Could there even be a King Arthur II when it’s not sure there was actually a King Arthur I? Complicated and murky history prior to The Norman Conquest means we count monarchs from William I onwards, so any Arthur would be Arthur I. Besides, if Arthur existed at all, he wouldn’t have been King of England as England didn’t exist as a nation state. (Yes yes, I know the current Queen is not ‘Queen of England’ but it’s how, by tradition, we count our monarchs, otherwise the current Queen would be QEI. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/67 "2018-05-24T17:20:15Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s Charles Phillip Arthur George. Could there even be a King Arthur II when it’s not sure there was actually a King Arthur I? > > He’s also known to have been very fond of his uncle, Louis Mountbatten - but King Louis is a French and Disney name, so maybe not. But it’s not one of his names. The British monarchy isn’t like the popes, who take new names. The monarchs always use one of their own baptismal names (which is significant if you’re going to be the governor of the Church of England, I would think). As far as I know, the only case of a British monarch taking an entirely new name was one of the early Stewarts in Scotland, who was in a rather weak political position and changed his name to try and emphasise continuity with his predecessors. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/68 "2018-05-24T17:46:27Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > I think it would be weird for him to change his name when he becomes King, as we’ve known him as Charles for 70 years. Edward VIII was David all of his life, and he was the heir. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/69 "2018-05-24T18:52:59Z")
The royal family wasn’t quite at the same level of celebrity notoriety and interest then, were they? Certainly he was known, but not in the gossip-magazine way Charles is known. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/70 "2018-05-24T20:36:27Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Prince Phillip became a British citizen, and so, it is assumed, will the Duchess of Sussex. > > If you want the story of a dysfunctional marriage, you should read about George IV and his wife. They were, to say the least, estranged when he was crowned. Supposedly she tried to get into the cathedral during the coronation, and had to be turned away. It runs in the family. George I imprisoned his wife (the mother of George II) for the last 30 years of her life after she supposedly had an affair with Count Königsmarck. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/71 "2018-05-24T21:04:43Z")
And don’t even ask about what happened to Count Königsmarck! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/72 "2018-05-24T22:00:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Edward VIII was David all of his life, and he was the heir. He was only David among friends and family; other than that he styled Prince Edward, then the Prince of Wales. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/73 "2018-05-24T22:45:30Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > But one of his middle names is Arthur, so perhaps he’ll reign as King Arthur. 😃 Not, i fancy, if he would like his head to remain connected to his shoulders. Plus the pants are too big for him ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/74 "2018-05-25T10:19:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/75 "2018-05-25T19:58:53Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Two different “jobs” (reigning queen and consort) being called queen isn’t too weird. In English we use “Prince” for both the son of a king and a reigning leader of a principality, as in Monaco. A distinction is preserved in some languages, like German, which uses Prinz and Fürst. Similarly, “Duchess” can either mean the wife of a Duke, or a secret agent. An _Archer_ reference. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > IIRC Phillip’s father made him the nominal King of Chile when he got engaged so he’d rank equal to his wife… I don’t think so: [Philip II of Spain - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_Spain#Titles,_honours_and_styles) > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’s Charles Phillip Arthur George. Could there even be a King Arthur II when it’s not sure there was actually a King Arthur I? > > He’s also known to have been very fond of his uncle, Louis Mountbatten - but King Louis is a French and Disney name, so maybe not. It’s a good enough name for his latest grandson to get it, but I agree with those who’ve already suggested that he’s likely to take Charles III as his regnal name. It’s been his first name his entire (long) life, and I suspect very few people remember enough about Charles I or II to think the name unsuitable or unlucky. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/76 "2018-05-25T20:30:47Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And don’t even ask about what happened to Count Königsmarck! What happened to Count Königsmarck? 😕 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/77 "2018-05-25T20:36:35Z")
The Duchess of Sussex now has a coat of arms, as it happens: [https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/europe/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/europe/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-intl/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/78 "2018-05-25T20:40:34Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > What happened to Count Königsmarck? 😕 > > 😃 He was disappeared, allegedly on George’s orders. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/79 "2018-05-25T20:43:58Z")
[sepulchral voice] He was never seen again… [/sepulchral voice] Accounts differ as to the details, but it’s pretty clear that he was “disappeared” on George’s orders. Most accounts say he was killed and the body thrown into a river. Some accounts suggest that there was also dismemberment, pre- and/or post-mortem . :eek: ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691/80 "2018-05-25T21:03:46Z")
Chile never had a king, nor a viceroy like many colonies. Captain-General was their leader. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > The Duchess of Sussex now has a coat of arms, as it happens: [https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/europe/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/europe/duchess-sussex-meghan-markle-coat-of-arms-intl/index.html) And the beautiful poppies represent the ones her husband must’ve seen while operating in Afghanistan, in one of the top opium producing regions in the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-there-be-a-queen-meghan/814691.md?page=5)