# Could this be the end of Bill O'Reilly (please please please) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150 "2004-10-14T03:34:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/21 "2004-10-14T04:19:48Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > She’s a Demmie? And there are no recordings or any other evidence, other than her Kool-Aid quaffing good word? Well that pretty much settles that. Morelli is the lawyer. I’m not finding her party affiliation anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/22 "2004-10-14T04:22:19Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > [The Smoking Gun has copies of the complaint up](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html) > The accusations don’t really start until page 6, but some of them are pretty funny. How does one have sex with a Falafel? Wow, umm, point 81 is umm…Ew… I gotta wash that thought outta my head. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/23 "2004-10-14T04:28:24Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > It’s not unusual for a man in a position of power to manipulate women into doing things they don’t want to do. > > Let’s not blame the victim here. Indeed. Let’s not. > [@DtC](#): > > The judge dismissed the case for lack of merit. The supreme Court did not rule on the merits of the case, only on the question of whether a sitting president can be civilly sued. The definition of perjury requires that the “lie” must be about a matter which is material to the case. Clearly, a consensual BJ had nothing to do with a sexual harrassment suit. The question was a set up, a perjury trap set out of desperation after the inquisitor, Starr had wasted untold millions of taxpayers’ money chasing phony scandals and utterly failing to turn up any corruption. The best he could do was a blow job. > [@DtC](#): > > There WAS a conspiracy. The whole Lewinsky thing was orchestrated solely as a means to bring down Clinton. Whether he actually got blown or not is sort of beside the point. I thing Kenneth Starr owes the country an apology and linda Tripp owes the state of Maryland some jail time. You’re a damn hypocrite, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/24 "2004-10-14T04:29:45Z")
The name ‘Anita Hill’ comes to mind. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/25 "2004-10-14T04:32:04Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > Morelli is the lawyer. I’m not finding her party affiliation anywhere. Whatever her affiliation (she’s worked for Fox – and CNN, to be fair – for quite a while), if she’s pursuing O’reilly, she’s de facto a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/26 "2004-10-14T04:32:58Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > You’re a damn hypocrite, sir. Nice try, but off the mark. Ms. Lewinsky was not the “victim” of anything. She was a willing participant. I don’t think anyone has _ever_ claimed that Clinton somehow pressured her into having sex with him. By all reports, in fact, she initiated the activity. Take umbrage elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/27 "2004-10-14T04:33:05Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Indeed. Let’s not. > > You’re a damn hypocrite, sir. I fail to see a connection between this and the Clinton lynching. Please explain. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/28 "2004-10-14T04:34:10Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Whatever her affiliation (she’s worked for Fox – and CNN, to be fair – for quite a while), if she’s pursuing O’reilly, she’s de facto a Democrat. Am I getting wooshed here? I’m a Democrat, and he’s never phone sexed me. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/29 "2004-10-14T04:34:21Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > The name ‘Anita Hill’ comes to mind. Anita Hill was telling the truth. Just ask David Brock. He wrote a book saying he was paid to lie about her. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/30 "2004-10-14T04:40:19Z")
Fellow guys, here is an opportunity to get in touch with your feminine side. Imagine you are female. Then try to imagine that you might do _anything_ even _remotely_ intimate and/or sexual with Bill O’Reilly, short of threats. I rest my case. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/31 "2004-10-14T04:41:17Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Anita Hill was telling the truth. Just ask David Brock. He wrote a book saying he was paid to lie about her. Heheh, sure thing, boss. [When even Slate](http://slate.msn.com/?id=2063759) doesn’t put much stock in Brock (hey!), don’t expect me to take the words of some purportedly born-again lefty at face value. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/32 "2004-10-14T04:45:24Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I fail to see a connection between this and the Clinton lynching. Please explain. Well, I am not the person who posted it, but the connection I think he is trying to make is that you turned unbelievably convoluted cartwheels to excuse Clinton’s misdoings, even after he was found guilty, yet you automatically assume O’Riley is guilty as sin, simply because he has been accused. If this is not because one is a Democrat and thus on your side and one is a Republican and thus the target of your ire, why is it? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/33 "2004-10-14T04:50:36Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > Well, I am not the person who posted it, but the connection I think he is trying to make is that you turned unbelievably convoluted cartwheels to excuse Clinton’s misdoings, even after he was found guilty, yet you automatically assume O’Riley is guilty as sin, simply because he has been accused. If this is not because one is a Democrat and thus on your side and one is a Republican and thus the target of your ire, why is it? Clinton was found guilty of sexual harrassment? Really? When? And **Moto** connected his post to me saying “don’t blame the victim.” In the Clinton-Lewinski case, there _was_ no victim. The cases are not analogous. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/34 "2004-10-14T04:53:01Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > If this is not because one is a Democrat and thus on your side and one is a Republican and thus the target of your ire, why is it? Good question. You seem amazingly eager to believe this, and yet it’s really too soon to know. Look—I think O’Reilly is capable of this. I do. I think it’s possible. But I am not at all convinced just because someone makes the claim. I need a little more proof than that. I don’t hold O’Reilly in such high regard that I’m going to do flips to defend him. It’s nothing to me either way. But I can’t see how anyone can so quickly be _so_ confident that he _must_ be guilty, just because someone unknown entity (at this point) says so. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/35 "2004-10-14T04:54:50Z")
Horndog-Americans have rights too, you know! One of those is the inalienable right to get some so long as the endeavor is cooperative and fully voluntary. As was certainly the case with Ms. Lewinski, by her own account. The charges against Mr. O’Reilly are of a different sort entirely. I cheefully admit I am inclined to accept them largely because I find him obnoxious and negative. In my experience, obnoxious and negative persons are far more likely to do something shitty to you. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/36 "2004-10-14T04:56:51Z")
And don’t forget moralistic. Moralistic assholes always have some bizarre hidden kinks, and it’s usually something pretty vicious. God only knows what Ashcroft gets up to. I fear for his pets. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/37 "2004-10-14T04:57:32Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Clinton was found guilty of sexual harrassment? Really? When? > > And **Moto** connected his post to me saying “don’t blame the victim.” > > In the Clinton-Lewinski case, there _was_ no victim. > > The cases are not analogous. Are you really that stupid? I just said that the issue (as I saw it, Mr. Moto is free to come in here and tell me I’m 100% wrong) was not sexual harassment, but the assumption of guilt without proof VS the blind defense of proven guilt, and you come back with a post about the issue of sexual harassment. If you’re going to bother to reply, at least address what I posted and not something else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/38 "2004-10-14T04:59:35Z")
I would like to know **Diogenes** ’ view of Paula Jones’ accusations before the discovery phase of her lawsuit started. I’d also like to know why he assumes the accusations are true. O’Reilly’s a blowhard, but there are plenty of blowhards who don’t sexually harass their co-workers. Why do you assume she’s right and he’s wrong? Isn’t the right posture to take the accusations seriously, but demand that the women prove her charges? ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/39 "2004-10-14T04:59:36Z")
> [@Early Out](#): > > Nice try, but off the mark. Ms. Lewinsky was not the “victim” of anything. She was a willing participant. I don’t think anyone has _ever_ claimed that Clinton somehow pressured her into having sex with him. By all reports, in fact, she initiated the activity. > > Take umbrage elsewhere. Yeah, a young girl has a chance at the most powerful man in the world, and she’s supposed to turn it down?!? :eek: Allow me a moment here while I try to remind myself Clinton should have had the self-control to not shove a cigar up her twat and then smoke it after she blew him. :rolleyes: You dems are getting pretty desperate. I can’t even get worked up over the bombs anymore. I just sit back and laugh. And smoke a cigar. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2004, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150/40 "2004-10-14T05:01:21Z")
I fail to see actionable evidence here. If the suit isn’t some sort of publicity stunt, what is it? If hearsay is all the plaintiff has got, then the suit’s DOA, as it should be. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-this-be-the-end-of-bill-oreilly-please-please-please/269150.md?page=3)