# Could We Create a Male Soprano Without Castrating Him? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [May 25, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179 "2011-05-25T17:45:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/1 "2011-05-25T17:45:59Z")
Alas, the days of the Castrato are over, thanks to the music world collectively realizing that castrating young boys is, you know, kinda cruel. But say a young male soprano shows promise; what with modern medicine and all, could he be chemically castrated so that he can grow into a grown man who powerfully sings castrato parts, yet still retains his … uh … parts? Perhaps surgery on his vocal chords? Furthermore, ISTR reading about some well-known castrato who was known as well for his performance in the budoir as he was for his performance on stage. Regretfully, his name escapes me, but my question is: how is that possible? My understanding is that castration removes not only sexual desire, but the ability to get it up. Clearly I’m wrong… ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/2 "2011-05-25T18:07:11Z")
If you really want to duplicate the sounds of a castrato, a much less drastic solution would be signal processing of the voice recording – or even in real time. You ought to be able to play with the frequency response to duplicate the peculiat timbre of the castrati. We have existing recordings of the last castrato to use as a benchmark and model: https://www.youtube.com/embed/wv-S3uoeTXg?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque > **[Castrato](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato)** > > A castrato (Italian; pl.: castrati) is a male singer who underwent castration before puberty in order to retain a singing voice equivalent to that of a soprano, mezzo-soprano, or contralto. The voice can also occur in one who, due to an endocrinological condition, never reaches sexual maturity. > Castration before puberty (or in its early stages) prevents the larynx from being transformed by the normal physiological events of puberty. As a result, the vocal range of prepubescence (shared by both... That last referencxe also gives us this, in response to your question: > [@](#): > > Modern castrati and similar voices > > So-called “natural” or “endocrinological castrati” are born with hormonal anomalies such as Kallmann’s syndrome, or have undergone unusual physical or medical events during their early lives that reproduce the vocal effects of castration without being castrated. Javier Medina, Jimmy Scott, Jorge Cano, Paulo Abel do Nascimento and Radu Marian are examples of this type of high male voice.[21] Michael Maniaci is somewhat different, in that he has no hormonal or other anomalies, but for some unknown reason, his voice did not “break” in the usual manner, leaving him still able to sing in the soprano register.[22] Other uncastrated male adults sing soprano, generally using some form of falsetto, but in a much higher range than most countertenors. Examples are Aris Christofellis,[23] Jörg Waschinski,[24] and Ghio Nannini.[25] However, it is believed the castrati possessed more of tenorial chest register (the low range, down to C3, of the aria “Navigante che non spera” in Leonardo Leo’s opera Il Medo, written for Farinelli, is a case in point).[26] Similar low-voiced singing can be heard from the jazz vocalist Jimmy Scott whose range matches approximately that used by female blues singers,[27] while the Turkish popular singer Cem Adrian has the ability to sing from bass to soprano, his vocal folds having been reported to be three times the average length.[28] Actor Chris Colfer has a similar range. Colfer has stated in interviews that, when his voice began to change at puberty, he sang in a high voice “constantly” in an effort to retain his range.[29] ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/3 "2011-05-25T18:15:18Z")
Did people really consider that good? ---
**Author:** ![code\_grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@code\_grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/code_grey)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/4 "2011-05-25T19:23:35Z")
how about locally damaging the cells’ ability to uptake and process testosterone? After all, we only want to retard development of the vocal chords and not of other testosterone affected body parts. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/5 "2011-05-25T19:28:39Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > If you really want to duplicate the sounds of a castrato, a much less drastic solution would be signal processing of the voice recording – or even in real time. You ought to be able to play with the frequency response to duplicate the peculiat timbre of the castrati. Which is what they did for the movie \*Farinelli (_about the famous, fully fracking castrato the OP was probably thinking about in his last paragraph)_, \*although if I’m not mistaken they altered the voice of a female soprano rather than that of a male singer. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/6 "2011-05-25T20:16:51Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Did people really consider that good? One of the sites on Castrati notes that the recording was made 30 years after the last stage performance of a “great” castrati, and suggests that the recording probably isn’t typical of what the Castrati were noted for. They supposedly had impressive lung capacity and breath control, and great volume, in addition to being in the soprano range, which is what made them a desired quantity. I have no idea if the guy in the recording was considered “good” as a singer by those who had heard earlier ones and could judge. The chief value of the recording is that it exists at all, not that it’s typical. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/7 "2011-05-25T21:56:14Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Did people really consider that good? > [@CalMeacham](#): > > One of the sites on Castrati notes that the recording was made 30 years after the last stage performance of a “great” castrati, and suggests that the recording probably isn’t typical of what the Castrati were noted for. They supposedly had impressive lung capacity and breath control, and great volume, in addition to being in the soprano range, which is what made them a desired quantity. I have no idea if the guy in the recording was considered “good” as a singer by those who had heard earlier ones and could judge. The chief value of the recording is that it exists at all, not that it’s typical. Remember that in general women performers were seen as reprobates and whores, not serious performers. If you wanted a female on stage, you got a young boy. If you needed soprano, you got a castrato. It really wasn’t until the 1700s until you really started to see female performers that were not _always_ considered whores. Also keep in mind, as CalMeacham said, the recording was done when he was fairly old, and there is also a difference in singing styles to consider. As a wold example, we had this absolutely ancient guy in the church chorus who sang with an extreme vibrato that was popular in the 20s and 30s that fell out of fashion by the 60s. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/8 "2011-05-26T08:46:19Z")
I think you need to listen to [Michael](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2liGFJFuGk) [Maniaci](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voZsllaIfCk). Figure out whatever it was that kept his voice from lowering very much while still retaining other aspects of being male. [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Maniaci) says he sounds the most like the classical castrato, and I believe performs a lot of parts originally written for them. ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/9 "2011-05-26T09:20:42Z")
There is a male vocal register, [the countertenor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countertenor), which can approach sopranos without the crutching knife. It’s a matter of a combination of natural gifts and tehnique, I gather. ---
**Author:** ![freckafree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freckafree/32/3050_2.png) [@freckafree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/freckafree)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/10 "2011-05-26T10:52:25Z")
What \*\*Noel Prosequi \*\* said. Check out any of the recordings by [Chanticleer](http://www.chanticleer.org/). ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2011, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-we-create-a-male-soprano-without-castrating-him/583179/11 "2011-05-26T11:02:30Z")
What part does Glee’s Chris Colfer sing? Is he a tenor?