# Could you increase your mandated pitch limit by not throwing warm-up pitches between innings? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647 "2019-06-17T16:08:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647/1 "2019-06-17T16:08:29Z")
Assuming I am not starting from a false premise, have always wondered why in between innings pitches didn’t count against pitch count, since they seem to be at or near the same velocity as regular pitches. Then I assumed they don’t count them since everyone throws them, so they count perhaps indirectly- a starter with a pitch count of 100 really has one of 100 plus 6 or whatever it is per inning. So…if a pitcher pissed off at his 100 pitch limit found he could be just as effective without any pitches between innings, could he then legitimately argue his pitch count should be 140 or whatever? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647/2 "2019-06-17T16:20:47Z")
Probably. That said, you couldn’t get it to 140. There’s no way you could shave that many pitches off your in-between-innings warmups. You might be able to shave off 12-16 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647/3 "2019-06-17T16:22:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Probably. That said, you couldn’t get it to 140. There’s no way you could shave that many pitches off your in-between-innings warmups. You might be able to shave off 12-16 or so. what is the standard amount thrown- I thought it was 6-8? ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647/4 "2019-06-17T17:22:37Z")
They’re probably not stressing their arms by throwing their hardest fastballs or sharpest breaking pitches to create outs during the in between inning pitches. I’ve always just understood them to simply be warm-ups, similar to stretching before exercising. Not throwing them would probably cause more damage (to the arm, shoulder, or scoreboard) over the course of the game. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647/5 "2019-06-17T17:27:15Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > what is the standard amount thrown- I thought it was 6-8? No way pitchers will eliminate ALL the warmup throws, and they are not equivalent to the pitches thrown in anger. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-increase-your-mandated-pitch-limit-by-not-throwing-warm-up-pitches-between-innings/835647/6 "2019-06-17T18:08:24Z")
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