# Could you maybe have a debate WITHOUT the jargon? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2002, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403 "2002-11-28T21:24:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/41 "2002-11-29T17:25:23Z")
Soon, the intentionally unclear thread will start. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/42 "2002-11-29T17:43:11Z")
Start? What you mean, [start?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147019) ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/43 "2002-11-29T20:58:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > If you don’t know what we mean when we say that a non-obtaining entity is ontologically neutral, then ask questions to get yourself up to snuff, or else go hang out in IMHO. Or just skip over Libertarian’s posts.😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/44 "2002-11-29T21:11:26Z")
Crap boobs crap. ---
**Author:** ![dinahmoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8797f3/32.png) [@dinahmoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dinahmoe)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/45 "2002-11-29T22:00:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*Crap boobs crap. \*\* Note to self: Do not solicit fashion tips from andros. ---
**Author:** ![Kwyjibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kwyjibo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kwyjibo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/46 "2002-11-30T02:03:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dijon Warlock \* > \*\*Kwyjibo that. \*\* Kwyjibo _ **THIS** _! Am I to take that as a argumentum ad hominem? 🙂 You must respect us Kwyjibo’s! ---
**Author:** ![Monster104](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Monster104](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monster104)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/47 "2002-11-30T02:23:04Z")
I’m a Kwyjibo Mk. II in disguise. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/48 "2002-11-30T02:50:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by eunoia \* > **Mr. Cynical** might try subliminal vocabulary-builder tapes, I tried them and lost 15 lbs. 😉 Or $10 American. ---
**Author:** ![AwSnappity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a3d4f5/32.png) [@AwSnappity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AwSnappity)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/49 "2002-11-30T05:26:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Cynical \* > \*\*I just KNEW someone would try to help with this one 🙂 > > I appreciate it, but I have to admit, I was kvetching. it’s nigh-impossible to miss the MERRIAM-WEBSTER names slapped all over the site upon a visit. \*\* You know, I wasn’t sure whether to post or not. Then I was going to add “maybe you’re sarcastic.” But you were so damn convincing. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/50 "2002-11-30T06:26:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kwyjibo \* > You must respect us Kwyjibo’s! I fear the **Kwyjibos** even when they bear misused apostrophes! ---
**Author:** ![Kwyjibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kwyjibo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kwyjibo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/51 "2002-11-30T06:37:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*I fear the **Kwyjibos** even when they bear misused apostrophes! \*\* An’d s’o you sh’ould’!!! 😛 Pfffttt!!! ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/52 "2002-11-30T06:53:20Z")
AAAAUGH! APOSTROPHE ASSASSIN! ::runs at **Kwyjibo** with a big white sack:: ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/53 "2002-11-30T14:46:09Z")
Good god, this thread’s been punha’d ---
**Author:** ![Kwyjibo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Kwyjibo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kwyjibo)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2002, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/54 "2002-11-30T17:16:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*AAAAUGH! APOSTROPHE ASSASSIN! > > ::runs at **Kwyjibo** with a big white sack:: \*\* Sh’ite…the tra’ined us to de’fen’d ourselves’ from b’eing a’ttac’ked with fr’eash frui’t…bu’t a white’ sac? :: runs like a mad Kwyj :: ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2002, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/55 "2002-12-01T03:36:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jonathan Chance \* > \*\*Damn, Lib. What a perfectly arrogant and elitist argument. The true measure of the intelligence of a debater is not the ability to express oneself within the framework of a specialized vocabulary but rather to express ideas within the larger framework of language and ideas. > > Otherwise, what point in arguing if you’re only communicating to a small group? Sounds like group masturbation to me. \*\* That last statement makes me think of a lyric: " Conversation is masterbation without the mess."- Our Lady Peace Unfortunately, I have to concure that some posters do seem to be engaging solely in verbal masterbation. The problem, as I see it, is not so much their use of language (with a couple of notable exceptions) but that many people post OPs on obsure subjects with no context whatsoever, assuming that you’ll know what they’re talking about. Now, were I to ask people if they thought that Llewelyn ab Gruffydd and Simon de Montfort were justified in their attempts to over-thow English rule, or if they were merely traitors, it would behoove me to at least mention that this is pertaining to the gradual English take over of Wales; that Llewelyn was the last Welsh born ruler of Wales (or at least a significant portion of it); that his and de Montfort’s conflict was with Henry III and Edward I, and maybe even add that it was in the 13th century. Those facts would at least give debators some context on the thing I wished to debate. You see, though I am familiar with the history, and could add many more facts to my argument (perhaps going back as far as ~1140 when the elder Llewelyn, Llewelyn Fawr, first began to lose control of Wales as an autonomous “country”, though it was never really that unified; or perhaps go even farther back to ~1050 when Maude and Stephen of England first set their sights on Wales) I realize that the subject is somewhat obscure, and it would not be reasonable to expect many people to have a through understanding of it without at least giving them a clue as to what they’d need to look up to get “up to speed.” ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2002, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/56 "2002-12-01T06:48:32Z")
[rant]Why the fuck can’t people spell the following words correctly? mast_ **u** _rbation sep_ **a** _rate[/rant] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2002, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/57 "2002-12-01T07:25:23Z")
There you go, Jeff, indulging in punctilious orthographic orthodoxy in direct defiance of the OP’s plea. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2002, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403/58 "2002-12-01T10:23:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*There you go, Jeff, indulging in punctilious orthographic orthodoxy in direct defiance of the OP’s plea. \*\* More beer…need more beer… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/could-you-maybe-have-a-debate-without-the-jargon/139403.md?page=2)