# Coulter at it again. My apologies to our Canadian friends. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2004, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007 "2004-12-04T02:17:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/201 "2004-12-07T12:43:33Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [The US] is a country driven by selfishness and hate, of which milroyj and coulter are just examples. Indeed, can scarcely imagine a populace more driven by selfishness and hate. [ul] [li] 89% of US households contribute to charities[/li][li] The average annual contribution is $1,620[/li][li] 83.9 million Americans do volunteer charitable work[/li][li] Volunteers contribute 15.5 billion hours, worth $239.2 billion[/li][li] 71% of all adults volunteer when asked[/li][li] Only 10% of Americans neither give nor volunteer[/li][li] Since WWII, the US government has spent about $1 trillion on foreign aid[/li][li] Private US foundations give $1.5 billion per year to foreigners[/li][li] US businesses contribute $2.8 billion annually[/li][li] US NGOs give $6.6 billion[/li][li] US religious organizations spend $3.4 billion for health care, literacy, relief, and development[/li][li] US colleges give foreign students $1.3 billion in scholarships[/li][li] Individuals from the US give $18 billion to causes in developing countries[/li][/ul] Sources: [http://www.independentsector.org/PDFs/GV01keyfind.pdf](http://www.independentsector.org/PDFs/GV01keyfind.pdf) > **[Foreign Aid for Development Assistance](https://www.globalissues.org/article/35/foreign-aid-development-assistance)** > > A look at the effects of foreign aid from rich countries on developing countries. This article looks at the low quantity and quality of aid from donors. [http://www.cato.org/dailys/3-10-97.html](http://www.cato.org/dailys/3-10-97.html) ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/202 "2004-12-07T13:32:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > What about domestic? That’s not an insubstantial slice of the pie. Good question. Let me rephrase to say that when it comes to _imported_ pot, most comes from Mexico, with anywhere from 1/10th to 1/100th coming from Canada. Although you’d probably get a more accurate response from someone who actually uses weed. Or maybe less accurate 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/203 "2004-12-07T15:14:20Z")
I believe **Muffin** left out one of the true driving forces of the government and most likely a majority of the people of the United States - greed. Selfishness (the “I got mine” mentality) and hate (which includes xenophobia, homophobia and religious intolerance) only takes you so far - greed will take you the rest of the way. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/204 "2004-12-07T15:26:44Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > I believe **Muffin** left out one of the true driving forces of the government and most likely a majority of the people of the United States - greed. Selfishness (the “I got mine” mentality) and hate (which includes xenophobia, homophobia and religious intolerance) only takes you so far - greed will take you the rest of the way. You truly are a bottom-feeding mental slug. Even when confronted with facts that directly contradict your idiotic premise, you cannot stop yourself from posting your own selfish, hateful, intolerant opinion formed from a black hole of ignorance. Apologize, and admit your error. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/205 "2004-12-07T17:27:16Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You truly are a bottom-feeding mental slug. Even when confronted with facts that directly contradict your idiotic premise, you cannot stop yourself from posting your own selfish, hateful, intolerant opinion formed from a black hole of ignorance. Apologize, and admit your error. Jesus H. Tapdancing Rudabaga Christ - can you quit being a total dickhead for even three frikin’ minutes, EVER? No? I didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/206 "2004-12-07T17:28:48Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > You truly are a bottom-feeding mental slug. Even when confronted with facts that directly contradict your idiotic premise, you cannot stop yourself from posting your own selfish, hateful, intolerant opinion formed from a black hole of ignorance. Apologize, and admit your error. It was actually **Muffin’s** premise, not mine. I just added to it. As to whether I’m a bottom-feeding mental slug, well, time will tell. Apologize and admit my error? That could happen. It’s in the realm of possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/207 "2004-12-07T17:41:09Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > Apologize and admit my error? That could happen. It’s in the realm of possibilities. ::Checks to see whether **featherlou** is Canadian.:: That explains it! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/208 "2004-12-07T17:47:34Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > can you quit being a total dickhead for even three frikin’ minutes, EVER? > > No? I didn’t think so. Do you have anything to counter the facts I’ve given that refute the premise you’re defending, ANYTHING? No? I didn’t think so. What a dim fucking bulb you are — calling me a dickhead for correcting the record on a board dedicated to fighting ignorance. I think you need to climb out of that damn mirror and bust it to pieces. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/209 "2004-12-07T17:54:49Z")
**Liberal** , there’s a difference between individual actions and the actions of a nation. I don’t think anyone here means to imply that individual Americans are all bad or greedy or hateful. Nevertheless, one could argue that as a nation, based on the decisions the US makes in relation to other countries and the sort of cultural products it exports, it has different qualities than the individual. I certainly wouldn’t argue that the US is driven by hate and/or greed. I doubt it’s driven by pure love for fellow humans, either. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/210 "2004-12-07T18:00:20Z")
Eh, the US isn’t motivated by hate as much as it is by credulity, flawed ideology, and inertia. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/211 "2004-12-07T18:09:17Z")
> [@LaurAnge](#): > > I don’t think anyone here means to imply that individual Americans are all bad or greedy or hateful. Look again. From Featherlou (and apparently her lapdog, Alice): “I believe Muffin left out one of the true driving forces of the government and **most likely a majority of the people of the United States** - greed. Selfishness (the “I got mine” mentality) and hate (which includes xenophobia, homophobia and religious intolerance) only takes you so far - greed will take you the rest of the way.” (Emphasis mine.) ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/212 "2004-12-07T18:11:46Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Look again. From Featherlou (and apparently her lapdog, Alice): Actually, I don’t agree with **Featherlou**. I just think you’re a dickhead. Not to mention an asshole. Not to mention, not particularly bright around the edges. A prick. A jerk. Pretty much a total assmunch. However, I have a solution. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/213 "2004-12-07T18:56:32Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Look again. From Featherlou (and apparently her lapdog, Alice): I didn’t see that the first time around. And I disagree with it. Unless she meant the ‘majority’ is driven by yadda yadda, because as I said before, I think there’s a difference between what the majority and the goverment does/thinks and individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/214 "2004-12-07T19:26:40Z")
Actually, the wishes of the majority is what produces the government. I did not say that all Citizens of the United States of America are selfish, hateful and greedy, and I would not say that. If you accept the premise that the government is selfish, hateful and greedy, however, you may also accept the premise that the majority of the people agree with these policies. If you don’t accept this premise, then mine doesn’t stand, either. I can live with that. **alice** speaks for herself, as do I. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/215 "2004-12-07T19:40:35Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > If you accept the premise that the government is selfish, hateful and greedy, however, you may also accept the premise that the majority of the people agree with these policies. If you don’t accept this premise, then mine doesn’t stand, either. I can live with that. I certainly believe that at least 51% of the American voters support the routine torture of Iraqi civilians, unlimited American military adventurism with increasing numbers of dead and injured US soldiers, higher levels of pollution in air and water, the evasion of taxes by the rich, sharp restrictions to freedom of speech, and massive deficits that will cripple their children’s economic future. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/216 "2004-12-07T21:54:14Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > I certainly believe that at least 51% of the American voters support the routine torture of Iraqi civilians, unlimited American military adventurism with increasing numbers of dead and injured US soldiers, higher levels of pollution in air and water, the evasion of taxes by the rich, sharp restrictions to freedom of speech, and massive deficits that will cripple their children’s economic future. Actually, according to the “survey” that I saw, no they don’t. They simply don’t make the connection between these things and George Bush. I’m not defending that, just noting it. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/217 "2004-12-07T22:01:23Z")
Yeah, apparently the main charge that can be levelled against the US is that a great many Americans are willing to be bamboozled into voting for a government that runs counter to their ideals and interests. While the circumstances specific to the American case may be interesting, I don’t think there are many countries that can claim superiority in that exact regard. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/218 "2004-12-07T22:43:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Indeed, can scarcely imagine a populace more driven by selfishness and hate. **Liberal** , your interpretation of US foreign aid figures leaves something to be desired. It does not support your inflammatory rhetoric. Let’s take a look at foreign aid given by the US government. Let’s suppose for a moment that the government is at least vaguely reflective of the will of the people. Measuring US foreign aid in absolute terms is uninformative. It is not adjusted for inflation, it is not measured as a proportion of US GDP, and it does not show where the aid is concentrated. While it is true that the US is the largest absolute donor in the OECD’s Development Assistance Committee (DAC), the ratio of donation to gross national income (GNI) is a mere .11%. This is the lowest proportion of all DAC donors, and it falls well below the average contribution ratio of .40%. Furthermore, it is worth noting exactly where our aid goes. This [chart](http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/42/30/1860571.gif) is instructive. Nearly a quarter of our foreign aid is unallocated. Half goes to middle income countries, predominantly in the Middle East. Our actual aid to less developed countries is less than 25% of our total allocation. Perhaps you can forgive me for thinking that aid to Israel, Egypt, Russia, Pakistan, and Jordan aren’t exactly signs of our manifold generosity. To my mind, this is a small number of countries with special political significance. [This](http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2963247) article presents a fairly balanced comparison of private giving between the US and Europe. It is useful to consider that taxes in Europe are far higher than they are in the US, and that Europeans are not offered tax incentives to give to charity. Finally, whether one includes gifts to religious bodies or not makes an enormous difference in tracking giving in the US. Some of us do not consider donations to religious groups that sponsor certain kinds of activities very generous. Just food for thought. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/219 "2004-12-07T22:59:10Z")
Here are some of the reasons why I believe that the USA is a country that is driven by selfishness and hate. I only hope that it can turn itself around. Unilateralism in foreign affairs rather than working together as a member of a community of nations: [http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle\_East/DI10Ak03.html](http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DI10Ak03.html) Overthrow of democracies, such as Chile: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1022347.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1022347.stm) Illegal and unjustified crusade killing tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq: [http://www.un.int/france/documents\_anglais/030305\_mae\_france\_irak.htm](http://www.un.int/france/documents_anglais/030305_mae_france_irak.htm) Not willing to be bound by its own treaties or by WTO rulings: [http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/eicb/softwood/what-en.asp](http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/eicb/softwood/what-en.asp) No universal health care, leading to reduced life span and reduced healthy life span when compared to most developed nations: > **[report04\_en.pdf](https://www.who.int/whr/2004/en/report04_en.pdf)** > > 3.76 MB Rejecting the Kyoto convention on climate change: [http://unfccc.int/2860.php](http://unfccc.int/2860.php) Loosening up of mercury restrictions: [http://www.waterkeeper.org/mainarticledetails.aspx?articleid=150](http://www.waterkeeper.org/mainarticledetails.aspx?articleid=150) Incredibly high murder rate that far exceeds that of other developed nations: > **[full\_en.pdf](https://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/en/full_en.pdf)** > > 2.32 MB Massive incarceration rate that far exceeds that of other developed nations, right up there with the old USSR/new Russia: [http://www.calyx.net/~schaffer/other/sp/abb.html](http://www.calyx.net/~schaffer/other/sp/abb.html) Systemic and endemic racism as reflected in the grossly disproportionate incarceration of blacks at a rate six times higher than whites: [http://www.calyx.net/~schaffer/other/sp/abb.html](http://www.calyx.net/~schaffer/other/sp/abb.html) Disenfranchisement of many convicts and in particular disproportional disenfranchisement of blacks: > **[US notches world's highest incarceration rate](https://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html)** > > A report highlights extent to which many citizens have served time in prison. Death penalty (about 12 states) in defiance of the UN and despite a 68% error rate: [http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/E.CN.4.RES.2001.68.En?Opendocument](http://www.unhchr.ch/huridocda/huridoca.nsf/(Symbol)/E.CN.4.RES.2001.68.En?Opendocument) [http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instructionalservices/liebman/](http://www2.law.columbia.edu/instructionalservices/liebman/) State constitution sanctioned segregation (Alabama): [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16443-2004Nov27.html) Local religious based avoidance of teaching science with respect to evolution: > **[Home | National Center for Science Education](https://ncse.ngo/)** Refusal to ratify UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women: [http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm](http://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/cedaw/text/econvention.htm) Religious based objection to UN family planning and AIDS prevention programs that offer or mention condoms: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3885629.stm](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3885629.stm) Religious belief based denial of gay rights with respect to civil marriage and adoption: > **[Stateline](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline?pa=story&sa=showStoryInfo&id=353058)** > > Stateline provides daily reporting and analysis on trends in state policy. Since its founding in 1998, Stateline has maintained a commitment to the highest standards of nonpartisanship, objectivity, and integrity. Its team of veteran journalists... > **[Iowa](https://www.lambdalegal.org/states-regions/iowa?record=399)** > > Know the healthcare, employment, and public accommodation laws in Iowa that protect LGBT people and everyone living with HIV. Promotion of integration of church and state by diversion of federally financed social services into faith based organizations: > **[Americans United for Separation of Church and State | Americans United for...](https://www.au.org/?pagename=issues)** ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/220 "2004-12-07T23:27:51Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > I believe **Muffin** left out one of the true driving forces of the government and most likely a majority of the people of the United States - greed. Selfishness (the “I got mine” mentality) and hate (which includes xenophobia, homophobia and religious intolerance) only takes you so far - greed will take you the rest of the way. Since someone’s already apologized for Coulter on behalf of the USA, I’d like to apologize on behalf of Canada for bigoted idiots like featherlou, whose impression of the United States is apparently entirely derived from watching “The O.C.” and repeats of “Mississippi Burning” on First Choice. But fo course, in the minds of simpletons like featherlou, I guess there’s no poverty, hate, racial inequality or greed in Canada. Or maybe there is: [http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/352.html](http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/352.html) [http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/?aid=734](http://www.tgcrossroads.org/news/?aid=734) [http://www.umanitoba.ca/manitoban/20020227/news\_3.shtml](http://www.umanitoba.ca/manitoban/20020227/news_3.shtml) [http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article\_13263.shtml](http://nation.ittefaq.com/artman/publish/article_13263.shtml) [http://www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2000/up/](http://www.ccsd.ca/pubs/2000/up/) > **[The Bre-X Gold Scandal, History's Biggest Mining Fraud](https://www.thoughtco.com/the-bre-x-gold-scandal-1439098)** > > Gold mining can create millionaires and criminals. Find out all about the convoluted history of the gold industry's greatest case of fraud. [http://www.sfu.ca/cmns/research/newswatch/pcc/94-4.html](http://www.sfu.ca/cmns/research/newswatch/pcc/94-4.html) [http://www.fsatoronto.com/policy/racialization.html](http://www.fsatoronto.com/policy/racialization.html) [http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/domino/media.nsf/html/c200400pr\_e.html](http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/domino/media.nsf/html/c200400pr_e.html) I guess we see that every country has its bigoted assholes. The stupidity required to come up with the astounding claim that, in a nation of three hundred MILLION people, the majority just happen to be driven by hate and greed - despite the fact that the country, relative to most other countries, seems to get along fairly well and hasn’t imploded - is truly staggering. How can anyone be this dumb? I assure everyone that decent Canadians are doing our best to educate people like featherlou and muffin, but some people are just born bad, and there’s only so much you can do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007.md?page=12)