# Coulter at it again. My apologies to our Canadian friends. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2004, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007 "2004-12-04T02:17:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/61 "2004-12-05T01:50:49Z")
**Polycarp** , you seem to understand how conservatives feel about Michael Moore. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/62 "2004-12-05T02:03:50Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > In behalf of American citizens, I offer a sincere apologies to our Canadian neighbors and usually friends for the fact that our freedoms permit her to insult you in this manner. Why would you apologize that our freedoms permit certain activities? You might \*\*explain \*\*that the situation exists because of our freedoms, but apologize for them? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! We should celebrate our freedoms! ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/63 "2004-12-05T02:04:07Z")
> [@Savannah](#): > > The woman is simply stupid, and juvenile as well. If she’s not stupid, then I’m honestly perplexed by the nonsensical things she says. She is NOT stupid, of course. So that leaves juvenile. And given to hyperbole, as is Rush Limbaugh, and Michael Moore. If you are a player in todays political society, you need to get your “market share.” You do this by being as outrageous as possible. It’s just too bad that even a small percentage of people on both sides of the aisle tend to get their opinions from only biased sources. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/64 "2004-12-05T04:04:20Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Why would you apologize that our freedoms permit certain activities? You might \*\*explain \*\*that the situation exists because of our freedoms, but apologize for them? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah! We should celebrate our freedoms! I’m not apologizing for freedom of speech (or of the press), **John** , but for the fact that they’re being used to insult good neighbors. I personally think that 99% of Americans have no clue about Canadian mindsets --of any social or political persuasion. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/65 "2004-12-05T04:28:38Z")
Canadians got mindsets? Who knew? Know one what’s got an attitude, for sure, but mindsets? With all due, **Poly** , got a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/66 "2004-12-05T04:30:34Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > \ > > I personally think that 99% of Americans have no clue about Canadian mindsets --of any social or political persuasion. Got it in one, **Polycarp**. Being a Canadian on these Boards has been a fascinating experience for me - people from both countries are so alike in so many ways, and so different in others. Bottom line - we are Canadians, not any flavour of United Statesian. We have our own sovereign country, with everything that entails. And I agree with **Gorsnak** about the column written by the United Statesian woman living in Canada. She doesn’t really get it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/67 "2004-12-05T04:30:35Z")
> [@Reeder](#): > > Left wing…right wing. Red state… Blue state. Dr Sanneuss Coulterisel new children’s book! Coming soon for the holidays! Order you copy today!! ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/68 "2004-12-05T04:40:26Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > The first mistake you’re making is lumping all conservatives into the “right wing”. If you meant she doesn’t speak for all conservatives, than you must call anyone left-of-center a “left winger” Here I am trying to be all fair and reasonable and duffer wants to differ with me. A) What’s the difference between “conservative” and “right wing”? If there’s anything more to it than rhetorical cant, spit it out. > [@](#): > > Not very important to the survival of the species, but saying anyone that doesn’t hold your world-view is an extremist is counter-productive and often disingenuous (sp?). Nice strawman you built there, buddy. How the hell did you get from my statement that Ann Coulter represents the viewpoints of many rwingers, but not mainstream rwingers, to me calling anyone who doesn’t hold my world-view an extremist? Quite the leap, boyo. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/69 "2004-12-05T07:42:35Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > While I’m willing to concede that Coulter doesn’t represent mainstream right wing thought to any great degree, it’s patently obvious that a bestselling author with planty of TV forums to speak from DOES speak for a considerable portion of the right, whereas Reeder’s influence, AFAIK, is pretty much limited to this message board and whatever others he may frequent. Not the same thing at all. Eh. I own a few Noam Chomsky books. Doesn’t mean I agree with what he says. However, it’s good to know that if Noam ever calls for the annexation of Canada, **Reeder** will be all over him like white on rice. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/70 "2004-12-05T10:08:44Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > Got it in one, **Polycarp**. Being a Canadian on these Boards . . . But I thought you were from Calgary? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/71 "2004-12-05T10:55:09Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > Here I am trying to be all fair and reasonable and duffer wants to differ with me. > > A) What’s the difference between “conservative” and “right wing”? If there’s anything more to it than rhetorical cant, spit it out. > > Nice strawman you built there, buddy. How the hell did you get from my statement that Ann Coulter represents the viewpoints of many rwingers, but not mainstream rwingers, to me calling anyone who doesn’t hold my world-view an extremist? Quite the leap, boyo. Always one to differ. 😉 Conservative vs. “right wing”. I was quoting that post as a basis for a general response to everyone that equates conservatives to “right-wingers”. Not directly to your post. I need to remember to make such distinctions in the future. I get in trouble on these. I wasn’t accusing you of saying Coulter speaks for all conservatives. Nor that all conservatives are “right-wingers”. I was using your post to make a broader statement. Please forgive the oversight if it upset you. I probably have quite a few more posts to go before most understand what I’m trying to say in any given post. Such is life, hope you understand. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/72 "2004-12-05T11:41:37Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > She is NOT stupid, of course. Seems like it to me: she has no grasp of – well, of _humanity!_ She clearly doesn’t have any idea about any culture other than American culture, and a shoddy grip on that as well; she says that an entire country should be ridiculed because they speak another language; she doesn’t understand the support that Canada gave to the US after Sept. 11; she doesn’t understand the concept of logic. And those are just examples from this thread! Show me anything that she has said or done that evinces that Ms. Coulter is anything but an ignorant and intellectually incapable woman. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/73 "2004-12-05T11:51:59Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > If she comes 'round here I’m going to wash her face in the snow. I’d like to see that. Particularly since where you live, you’d either have to haul her ugly ass up a mountain or drag her to the zamboni pile 😉 Oh, and **elucidator** , that’s a particularly dumbass comment that citizens of other countries would prefer to be Americans. It’s precisely that attitude that contributes to America-bashing around the world. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/74 "2004-12-05T12:08:35Z")
OK, I’ll offer up another Canadian viewpoint that shows not all Canadians are against America’s policiesl nor are they asking for an apology. (I can keep quoting these for a loooong time) From what I’ve seen, travelling to Manitoba and Saskatchewan for business, central Canada is more in line with Washington than Ottawa. Here’s the [latest](http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/editorial/10342713.htm). First letter. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/75 "2004-12-05T16:16:50Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > However, it’s good to know that if Noam ever calls for the annexation of Canada, **Reeder** will be all over him like white on rice. Noam would probably be more likely to call for the annexation of the United States by Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/76 "2004-12-05T16:21:12Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > OK, I’ll offer up another Canadian viewpoint that shows not all Canadians are against America’s policiesl nor are they asking for an apology. (I can keep quoting these for a loooong time) From what I’ve seen, travelling to Manitoba and Saskatchewan for business, central Canada is more in line with Washington than Ottawa. > > Here’s the [latest](http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/editorial/10342713.htm). First letter. Here’s a whole bunch of opinions at once… [Canadians prefer Kerry to Bush](http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2004/10/03/654640-cp.html) “Other regional breakdowns, with Kerry’s numbers first and Bush’s second, were: British Columbia, 58-19; Ontario, 53-19; the Atlantic provinces, 49-28; **Alberta** , 45-27; and **Manitoba and Saskatchewan** , 43-30.” So no, we’re not all of one mind set. No one ever said they were. Neither are Americans. Most Canadians don’t like Bush, though, and I think it’d be tough to support that they do, in any region of Canada. I would remind you that Saskatchewan and Manitoba both have socialist provincial governments right now, Saskatchewan for four straight elections. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/77 "2004-12-05T17:15:57Z")
> [@duffer's link](#): > > Personally, I take great comfort in having the United States as our neighbor. It is like having an older brother watching out for us. I also am glad that your president is someone who is viewed as “strong” in the world. I believe this reputation deters some radicals from turning their “beliefs” into “action.” Oh I’m not so sure about Ottawa being out of step with the praires…we’ve almost as simpering here too. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/78 "2004-12-05T17:34:25Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > **Polycarp** , you seem to understand how conservatives feel about Michael Moore. I’ve noticed this myself, but the question is why? When did he call all you guys traitors? He may say things you don’t like about your party leadership, but I challenge you to find anything he’s said that’s equivalent to what Coulter says about Democrats. Or anything as embarrassing as this Canada-bashing. > [@Miller](#): > > Please remember folks, **Reeder** speaks for the left to precisely the same degree that Coulter speaks for the right. Keep in mind, though, that Reeder doesn’t look nearly as good in a bikini. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/79 "2004-12-05T17:51:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Personally, I take great comfort in having the United States as our neighbor. It is like having an older brother watching out for us. “He loved Big Brother…” - George Orwell ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2004, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007/80 "2004-12-05T18:23:41Z")
> [@featherlou](#): > > Bottom line - we are Canadians, not any flavour of United Statesian. Are you channeling **Aldebaran** now? Really, it is the epitome of rude to refer to a group of people by any other name than that which they call themselves. Almost 300 million of us, and I’d bet not a single one has ever called himself a “United Statesian”. We’re Americans, and if that causes you to have an inferiority complex, oh well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coulter-at-it-again-my-apologies-to-our-canadian-friends/278007.md?page=5)