# Council of Islamic Ideology on when to beat your wife **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963 "2016-05-29T04:56:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/41 "2016-05-30T13:06:08Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [This](https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/deut/25.11-12?lang=eng#11). So name me one country in the world that uses Deuteronomy as the basis for punishments in their legal system? Since there doesn’t seem to be any how about keeping your irrelevant contribution to your self. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/42 "2016-05-30T18:23:12Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > With all the religious controversy I’ve been hearing about from wife beating to birth control to gay bashing and whatever else they’re up to, I can’t keep track anymore. Can somebody please remind me which religion is currently leading the contest to become the most reviled, heinous example of institutionalized depravity on the planet these days? If you disavow yourself of the irrational political sensibilities of modern liberalism, you will see with unerring clarity that it is an Abrahamic religion not named “Christianity” or “Judaism.” See OP for cite. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/43 "2016-05-31T08:50:35Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > So name me one country in the world that uses Deuteronomy as the basis for punishments in their legal system? Since there doesn’t seem to be any how about keeping your irrelevant contribution to your self. Is it even possible for you to not show how stupid you, in fact, are? What did you do, read just every other word in my posts? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/44 "2016-05-31T13:59:30Z")
Hell. I knew a woman in a Christian religion whose husband beat her so bad he put her in the hospital. Representatives from the church came to the hospital and told her not to press charges, as it was her fault for being “a bad wife.” She filed charges, left her husband, and got disfellowshipped. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/45 "2016-05-31T14:26:09Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > the perfectly “secular” laws in the west have permitted right through the end of the 20th century the husbands hitting the wives and the children. So the west has evolved, it is a good thing. Not as good is the presentsion to get on the high horse that other regions of the world, particularly poorer have not moved at the same speed or the amnesia about such changes. Good point, well said. On the one hand, gesturing towards religion doesn’t excuse these attitudes and practices—they aren’t OK regardless of whether or not some established religion (or its powerful leaders or its vocal supporters) say this is how it should be. On the other hand, these attitudes are not a product of any established religion, but instead are older (at least as old as our species’ history as agrarian societies with permanent dwelling places), which _also_ doesn’t excuse those attitudes and practices but should put the relationship of established religions (and other conservative, slow-changing social institutions) and this set of attitudes into proper order: these are not Islamic attitudes, nor are they Christian attitudes, nor are they even religious attitudes, but rather they are patriarchal attitudes; they are reflected in slow-changing conservative social institutions because those institutions arose in a patriarchal environment, and persist there because these ancient institutions are resistant to change and because their authority and the justification for it are all tied up in patriarchal priorities and beliefs about personal freedom versus social control. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/46 "2016-05-31T21:13:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Council of Islamic Ideology on when to beat your wife I hope they said Tuesdays. Tuesdays really work best for me. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/47 "2016-05-31T22:02:17Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > So name me one country in the world that uses Deuteronomy as the basis for punishments in their legal system? Note that the Pakistani legal system **isn’t** actually using these “Islamic Ideology” recommendations as the basis for punishments. _This is a bunch of **non** -legislators **proposing** harsh legal penalties based on religious justification._ And if we’re talking about bunches of non-legislators proposing harsh legal penalties based on religious justification, [there are plenty of those in Christianity as well](http://www.advocate.com/media/2015/11/09/watch-rachel-maddow-breaks-down-pastors-kill-gays-rally-attended-gop-candidates). Avowed Christian major presidential candidate Ted Cruz even attended a political rally hosted by a well-known Christian pastor who publicly advocates the biblical penalty of capital punishment for homosexuals, for instance. Uganda passed a Christian-promoted anti-homosexuality law [whose original version actually included the death penalty, and similar legislation is under consideration in Kenya.](http://religiondispatches.org/bill-to-stone-gays-to-death-introduced-in-kenya/) This stuff is part of standard political ideology for a numerous and influential minority of extreme-right Christians (and [extreme-right Jews too](https://books.google.com/books?id=X0LlROLy63EC&pg=PA96), for that matter), so you can’t just pretend it’s only Muslims who have repressive theocrats trying to legislate barbaric ancient penal codes in the modern day. It’s simply that the Muslim repressive theocrats happen to be more politically powerful nowadays than their Christian and Jewish counterparts. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/48 "2016-06-04T03:36:29Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > So name me one country in the world that uses Deuteronomy as the basis for punishments in their legal system? Since there doesn’t seem to be any how about keeping your irrelevant contribution to your self. Realizing that you are (1) dumber than dirt, (2) a complete jackass, and (3) an ignorant and cowardly jerk, I till think it’s worthwhile to bring your brain dead attention (such as it might be) to [this article](http://www.latimes.com/socal/burbank-leader/opinion/tn-blr-me-intheory-20160531-story.html) about a lawmaker in the US reading from the Bible during a political meeting. ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/49 "2016-06-04T09:05:05Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Hell. I knew a woman in a Christian religion whose husband beat her so bad he put her in the hospital. Representatives from the church came to the hospital and told her not to press charges, as it was her fault for being “a bad wife.” > > She filed charges, left her husband, and got disfellowshipped. And then the Christians issued jihad against her for apostasy and stoned her to death. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/50 "2016-06-04T13:08:37Z")
then publish atomic bomb american word salad kkk attack word salad ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/51 "2016-06-04T14:53:39Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > LOL! > Bangladesh tends to have more in common with Hindu India, so although it is very much an Islamic nation, it is less extreme than Pakistan, which in turn is more influenced by the nutters in the mid-east. In the Christian world, it is interesting to see the same sort of thing – just look at what is going on the USA, or compare the USA to much of western and parts of non-Mediterranean Europe. Not really. Both Pakistan and Bangladesh have a lot in common with the neighboring parts of India. On issues pertaining to women, northeastern India (Bengal, most specifically, but also the tribal states) are better than the north-centre and north-west. You can see that by looking at, e.g., the gender ratio which is indicative of how much selective abortion of girl children they do. ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/52 "2016-06-04T17:42:45Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > then publish atomic bomb american word salad kkk attack word salad For anyone who doesn’t read gibberish this translates to “Death to Infidels!” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/53 "2016-06-04T17:59:58Z")
> [@Hector\_St\_Clare](#): > > Not really. Both Pakistan and Bangladesh have a lot in common with the neighboring parts of India. On issues pertaining to women, northeastern India (Bengal, most specifically, but also the tribal states) are better than the north-centre and north-west. You can see that by looking at, e.g., the gender ratio which is indicative of how much selective abortion of girl children they do. :dubious: [World gender ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio): 1.07 India gender ratio: 1.12 Bangladesh gender ratio: 1.043 Pakistan gender ratio:1.05 For comparison; United States and UK are both at 1.05 ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/54 "2016-06-04T19:46:21Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > :dubious: > > [World gender ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sex_ratio): 1.07 > India gender ratio: 1.12 > Bangladesh gender ratio: 1.043 > Pakistan gender ratio:1.05 > For comparison; United States and UK are both at 1.05 Uh, I didn’t suggest otherwise. Pakistan and Bangladesh don’t seem to practice selective abortion of girls (this might have to do with Muslim disapproval of abortion, or not, not really sure). The point I’m making is that differences between Pakistan and Bangladesh probably have more to do with ethnicity than with either one having more in common with ‘Hindu India’. Bangladesh is (obviously) majority Bengali, Pakistan is plurality Punjabi (and some other ethnicities that aren’t much represented in India). Within India, Punjabis do a lot more sex selective abortion than Bengalis (and are also, anecdotally, worse in terms of harassment, rape, general women’s status issues), which is an indication that Punjabi culture is worse for women in general than Bengali. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/55 "2016-06-04T21:42:17Z")
Reminds me of a bad joke: [spoiler]What to you tell a woman with two black eyes? Nothing. You told her twice already.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/56 "2016-06-04T22:39:14Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > For anyone who doesn’t read gibberish this translates to “Death to Infidels!” It was intentionally gibberish to point out your own gibberish. Maybe not the easiest to decipher, but pretty obvious in context. But thanks for revealing your racism by accusing _Ramira_ of being a terrorist for responding to you. ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/57 "2016-06-05T04:38:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It was intentionally gibberish to point out your own gibberish. Maybe not the easiest to decipher, but pretty obvious in context. > > But thanks for revealing your racism by accusing _Ramira_ of being a terrorist for responding to you. I have no idea what ethnicity **Ramira** identifies as. Don’t care either. **Annie-Xmas** made a false equivocation. In her anecdote, which I assume is true, a friend of hers parted ways with a Christian congregation after they tried to talk her into not pressing charges against an abusive husband. She really didn’t go into much further detail but the point was “pretty obvious in context.” In case you can’t decipher (it may not be the easiest) her point was that Christians are equally as insufferable as Muslims in terms of their attitudes towards women. The penalty for Annie’s friend not pressing charges was that she was ejected from their stupid little club. Why would you want to be friends with people like that anyway? I assume Annie’s friend wouldn’t want to be associated with such people and their parting of ways, while perhaps not amicable was most likely mutual. End of story. Or, at least as far as I know because Annie did not go into much detail. If Annie’s friend has subsequently been murdered by the Christian group I would think that she would have mentioned that - not really a small detail. In the Islamic world, when surveyed, an overwhelming majority of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. [Cite.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/) This is easy to find. A quick search lead me to that. I made this point with, admittedly, rather dark humor. It may be hard to follow. Ramira responded by blithering about kkk and atomic weapons and amurica durrr. I don’t identify as a democrat and therefore have no inclination towards the kkk. Call me a racist, well screw you - you’re a terrorist. Punch back. Is Ramira a terrorist? I doubt it. A globalist. brobably ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/58 "2016-06-05T09:40:22Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > … > Ramira responded by blithering about kkk and atomic weapons and amurica durrr. I don’t identify as a democrat and therefore have no inclination towards the kkk. Call me a racist, well screw you - you’re a terrorist. Punch back. America great opposition party evil, KKK atomic bomb misusing terms, random comment idiot racist… (I responded mocking your incoherent word salad where you string together words you do not actually understand(\*), in a string of religious bigotry) > [@](#): > > A globalist. brobably Globalist? Inventing words is funny. Even it is funnier, thinking it is insulting. (\* the use of the word issue was very funny in its demonstration of the illiteracy) ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/59 "2016-06-05T11:27:39Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > And then the Christians issued jihad against her for apostasy and stoned her to death. And then some doofus walked into a thread about religion and wife beating and started blathering “yeah, but the \*other kind \*is WORSE!” ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/60 "2016-06-05T11:30:10Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > 1. Unlikely. > > 2. I dpn’t think they will effect social attitude one way or the other. AK84, sorry, forgot to say thank you. Glad to hear that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963.md?page=4)