# Council of Islamic Ideology on when to beat your wife **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963 "2016-05-29T04:56:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/61 "2016-06-05T17:25:51Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > America great opposition party evil, KKK atomic bomb misusing terms, random comment idiot racist… > > (I responded mocking your incoherent word salad where you string together words you do not actually understand(\*), in a string of religious bigotry) > Globalist? > > Inventing words is funny. > > Even it is funnier, thinking it is insulting. > > (\* the use of the word issue was very funny in its demonstration of the illiteracy) Wage jihad, pronounce fatwa. There, that makes it all better. And still true. When surveyed a majority of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Being kicked out of a church is not the same as having to go into hiding because other Muslims will want you dead if you leave or speak out against Islam. If you have evidence asserting the contrary please show it. Raging impotently about racism is all you have to fall back on when facts don’t fit your narrative. [Globalism](https://www.wordnik.com/words/globalism) _Ramira clicks above link_ Thinks, “Golly gee, I guess ‘globalism’ really is a word. And, actually, yeah I do sort of agree with that. This guy, DJ is pretty smart, I really had him wrong.” ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/62 "2016-06-05T18:41:58Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > Wage jihad, pronounce fatwa. Yes we knew you were engaging in the word salade, the usual spitting of hatred stringing together words without any sense. Very boring except to mock. > [@](#): > > Raging impotently about racism is all you have to fall back on when facts don’t fit your narrative. Yes we also know this usual line from the hateful bigots to excuse themselves. > [@](#): > > [Globalism](https://www.wordnik.com/words/globalism) Do you think we do not recognize the silly made up words from the paranoid extreme rightist? Of course used as empty ideological pseudo insult, although of course I am in favor of the free market capitalism and the free markets in trade and against the empty bigotry of the haters. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/63 "2016-06-05T18:44:55Z")
> [@DJ\_Motorbike](#): > > In the Islamic world, when surveyed, an overwhelming majority of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. > > [Cite.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/01/64-percent-of-muslims-in-egypt-and-pakistan-support-the-death-penalty-for-leaving-islam/) I hate to be Mr. Pedantic ( okay, that’s a lie ) but your cite doesn’t actually show that at all ( hint: there are nearly 3x as many Muslims in Indonesia as there is in Egypt and not all Muslims support sharia as the law of the land - look closely at the chart on the lower right side ). Not that isn’t a sobering poll - it certainly is. But “a disturbingly large number of Muslims believe in death for apostasy, even if only theoretically” is a comment that would be more on point. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/64 "2016-06-05T19:01:40Z")
this sort of person is totally insensitive to anything like actual analytical datas. He only cares for justifying his hatreds. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/65 "2016-06-06T04:17:36Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I hate to be Mr. Pedantic ( okay, that’s a lie ) but your cite doesn’t actually show that at all ( hint: there are nearly 3x as many Muslims in Indonesia as there is in Egypt and not all Muslims support sharia as the law of the land - look closely at the chart on the lower right side ). He doesn’t even need to study the chart: he could just have read the clearly expressed statements in the text of his own cite: > [@](#): > > In fact, according to the 2013 Pew Research Center report, 88 percent of Muslims in Egypt and 62 percent of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. This is also the majority view among Muslims in Malaysia, Jordan and the Palestinian territories. It’s important to note, though, that this view is not widely held in all Muslim countries or even among Muslims in these regions. In Bangladesh, another majority Muslim South Asian state that has a shared heritage with Pakistan, it is about half as prevalent, with 36 percent saying they support it. Fewer than one in six Tunisian Muslims hold the view, as do fewer than one in seven Muslims in Lebanon, which has a strong Christian minority. The view is especially rare among Central Asian and European Muslims. I [tried to explain those 2013 Pew survey numbers to another Islamophobic poster](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18866650&postcount=160) last year. Here it is again for the benefit of anybody who will be less freaked out by the elementary statistics involved. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Let’s look at [the actual survey results](http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf). > > First, the survey asked Muslims _ **in Muslim-majority countries** _ (plus Russia and Thailand) whether they thought shari’a law should be the law of the land (or, in the case of Russia and Thailand, of the Muslim regions within the land). Note that that entirely excludes, for instance, the more than 10% of all the world’s Muslims who live in India. > > Majorities in most of the countries surveyed agreed with making shari’a the law of the land. (However, among those who agreed, majorities in most countries said that shar’ia ought to apply only to the country’s Muslims, not to all its citizens.) > > The survey then asked **only the _pro-shari’a_ respondents** in each country whether they favored the death penalty for apostasy. Majorities **of those respondents** responded affirmatively in Malaysia (62%), Afghanistan (79%), Pakistan (76%), Egypt (86%), Jordan (82%), and the Palestinian territories (66%). > > Now all we need is to do the math on those subsets of subsets. > > Malaysia has about **1.1%** of the world’s Muslims, of whom **86%** are pro-shari’a, of whom **62%** favor the death penalty for apostasy. **Total: 0.6%**. > > Afghanistan has about **1.8%** of the world’s Muslims, of whom **99%** are pro-shari’a, of whom **79%** favor the death penalty for apostasy. **Total: 1.4%**. > > Pakistan has about **11%** of the world’s Muslims, of whom **84%** are pro-shari’a, of whom **76%** favor the death penalty for apostasy. **Total: 7.0%**. > > Egypt has about **5%** of the world’s Muslims, of whom **74%** are pro-shari’a, of whom **86%** favor the death penalty for apostasy. **Total: 3.2%**. > > Jordan has about **0.4%** of the world’s Muslims, of whom **71%** are pro-shari’a, of whom **82%** favor the death penalty for apostasy. **Total: 0.02%**. > > Palestine has about **0.3%** of the world’s Muslims, of whom **89%** are pro-shari’a, of whom **66%** favor the death penalty for apostasy. **Total: 0.02%**. > So all these pro-death-penalty-supermajority countries […] actually turn out to represent less than 13% of all Muslims worldwide (and well over half of those are in Pakistan alone). > > While I definitely agree that that number’s still way too high for the proper exercise of religious freedom and civil liberties, surely you must see how silly it makes you look to talk as though it implies that **most** Muslims support such positions. But as **Ramira** noted, people who play fast and loose with wildly exaggerated data this way are generally incapable of realizing how silly it makes them look. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/66 "2016-06-06T04:27:52Z")
Best wishes for folks entering Ramadan. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/67 "2016-06-06T07:04:06Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Yes we knew you were engaging in the word salade, the usual spitting of hatred stringing together words without any sense. Very boring except to mock. If only you were any good at mocking… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/68 "2016-06-06T17:55:48Z")
That doesn’t even make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/69 "2016-06-06T18:08:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That doesn’t even make sense. Ramira isn’t funny. Her threadshitting would be tolerable if she were funny. She isn’t. So it’s not. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![Hooleehootoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/eada6e/32.png) [@Hooleehootoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hooleehootoo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/70 "2016-06-06T18:35:16Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > …a comment that would be more on point. Cool: a certified on-point comment. I’ll help out here: un nombre inquiétant de musulmans croient dans la mort pour apostasie, même si seulement théoriquement. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963/71 "2016-06-07T01:20:51Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Ramira isn’t funny. Her threadshitting would be tolerable if she were funny. She isn’t. So it’s not. Does that help? Threadshitting? Have you somehow mixed up **Ramira** with **DJ\_Motorbike**? **Ramira** , though somewhat bristly, has brought relevant perspective and information to the discussion. You, on the other hand. . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/council-of-islamic-ideology-on-when-to-beat-your-wife/755963.md?page=3)