# Countdown to war with Venezuela **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 28, 2025, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201 "2025-11-28T06:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/61 "2025-12-01T15:54:51Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > > [@griffin1977](#): > > > > We are in the stupidest fucking timeline. I bet he won’t even delete it when he sobers up. > > The creators are Canadian. I hope they sue the fuck out of him. He’ll just threaten to fire missiles at Winnipeg. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/62 "2025-12-01T17:36:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He’ll just threaten to fire missiles at Winnipeg. When we hear that’s in process, I’m going to be terrified for the safety of _any_ woman, _anywhere_, whose name is “Winnifred.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/63 "2025-12-01T19:49:40Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I suspect a lot of the people he has killed where just human traffickers kidnapped victims. Who would be “illegal immigrants” in the eyes of the Right and therefore just as much criminals as any drug dealer or terrorist. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/64 "2025-12-01T20:21:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Who would be “illegal immigrants” in the eyes of the Right and therefore just as much criminals as any drug dealer or terrorist. Right. Can’t have that. Who is gonna dust a cook at Mar-a-Fato? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/65 "2025-12-01T21:36:36Z")
> President Donald Trump, said on Sunday that he would not have wanted a second strike on the boat and said Hegseth denied giving such an order. OK, so Trump says on Sunday that Hegseth had nothing to do with it. Let’s move to Monday: > But White House spokeswoman Karoline Leavitt said on Monday that Hegseth had authorized Admiral Frank Bradley to conduct the strikes. > > “Secretary Hegseth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes. Admiral Bradley worked well within his authority and the law directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated,” Leavitt said. [White House says admiral approved second strike on boat from Venezuela, defends attack as lawful | Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/white-house-admiral-approved-second-strike-boat-venezuela-was-well-within-legal-2025-12-01/) From the Dept. of Defense law of war manual: > 18.3.2.1 Clearly Illegal Orders to Commit Law of War Violations. The requirement to refuse to comply with orders to commit law of war violations applies to orders to perform conduct that is clearly illegal or orders that the subordinate knows, in fact, are illegal. For example, orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/66 "2025-12-01T23:03:42Z")
Adm. Bradley, meet the underside of the bus. Bus, meet Adm. Bradley. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/67 "2025-12-02T00:28:32Z")
To be fair, he should have fucking known better. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/68 "2025-12-02T01:43:21Z")
Oh, he fucking does now better. But he does not care. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2025, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/69 "2025-12-02T21:04:24Z")
> **[Russia Evacuates Citizens From Venezuela Ahead Of Potential US Attack Amid...](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/international/russia-evacuates-citizens-from-venezuela-ahead-of-potential-us-attack-amid-maduro-trump-tensions/videoshow/125683167.cms)** > > Russian tour operators reportedly said an emergency evacuation of Russian tourists from Venezuela is underway amid rising tensions between Washington and Caracas. According to the Association of Tour Operators of Russia and reports carried by RT,... Multiple sources reporting that Russia is evacuating citizens from Venezuela. Not sure how accurate of a predictor this might be in the larger context. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/70 "2025-12-03T18:46:48Z")
I would assume Putin’s just calling them back to fight in Ukraine. [I’m only about 1/3rd kidding] ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/71 "2025-12-05T04:16:08Z")
Well, Agent Orange don’t wanna hurt any of Uncle Vlad’s people. I’m sure the proper exchange of intelligence went between the two of them. Fucking Traitor. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/72 "2025-12-05T16:50:34Z")
Got it in one. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/73 "2025-12-06T00:05:02Z")
“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” ― Thomas Paine ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/74 "2025-12-30T19:10:29Z")
Isn’t the whole reason to invade Venezuela is to get back those oil fields? Once they’re secure, we’ll be there forever, providing security for the fields, and for however it is they get the oil to the tankers. They’ll be sniped at constantly. I imagine trump will get his cut via crypto. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/75 "2025-12-30T21:17:33Z")
I think their best case scenario is that once they defeat the current government militarily (may be with just airstrikes like in Libya) a new, more US-aligned government will take its place without the need for a continuous occupation. I would say that is not so far fetched, at least for a while, how long would such a government last, and what would the U.S. do to prop it up is anybody’s guess.- ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/76 "2025-12-30T21:25:32Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > a new, more US-aligned government will take its place **without the need for a continuous occupation.** Iraq would argue that this doesn’t work out. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/77 "2025-12-30T21:26:57Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Isn’t the whole reason to invade Venezuela is to get back those oil fields? Not _just_ that; the oil isn’t even that good. There’s also the fact that Venezuela is officially socialist, which makes America hate it for ideological reasons _(in practice_ it’s a standard crony-capitalist kleptocratic dictatorship, but both we and the socialist defenders of Venezuela ignore that). And as well Venezuela is openly disrespectful of the US and makes all sorts of accusations against us (some of which are even false). I wouldn’t expect Trump to care that it’s officially socialist, but the fact that it fails to grovel before the mighty US properly? And is full of brown subhumans? _That_ he’ll care about. He’ll want to see them crushed with maximum brutality and atrocity. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/78 "2025-12-30T22:23:36Z")
Iraq is not in a region that was virtually occupied by the U.S. (via military governments) for most of the 70s and 80s. The bet is that there are enough people that accept the facto U.S. dominance to avoid having to sustain a regime militarily. That said, I agree that it’s iffy, but since when the risk of having their military interventions go disastrously wrong has deterred Republicans? not to speak the current bunch of Republicans who are incapable of separating how they wish thing will go from how they may actually go. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/79 "2025-12-30T22:32:41Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > not to speak the current bunch of Republicans who are incapable of separating how they wish thing will go from how they may actually go. This is key, really. Regardless of what is _likely_ to happen as the result of such a war, they won’t even be paying attention to that. They’ll be paying attention to what they _want_ the result to be. Regardless of how little they resemble one another. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201/80 "2025-12-30T22:44:25Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I wouldn’t expect Trump to care that it’s officially socialist, but the fact that it fails to grovel before the mighty US properly? And is full of brown subhumans? _That_ he’ll care about. He’ll want to see them crushed with maximum brutality and atrocity. I think that and Trump’s sick, fucked-up fever dream of being Emperor of the Americas. He sees this as the first step toward that. Of course, the asshole’s term will end before he gets anywhere close to that, even if he can live to see the end of the term. He’s the decrepit hippo wanting to eat an elephant and trying to nip at its tail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/countdown-to-war-with-venezuela/1025201.md?page=5)