# county **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802 "2003-12-13T19:08:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/61 "2003-12-14T05:25:54Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Ilsa\_Lund_ > > **Pictures of your ability for rational thought can be found on the back of milk cartons.** > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > > > > [That is a clever line.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=228268&perpage=50&highlight=milk&pagenumber=4) > > > > :dubious: > > > > Regards, > > Shodan From the link: _Milk cartons should carry pictures of your grip on reality._ Holy Joe Biden, **Shodan**! ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/62 "2003-12-14T05:46:34Z")
“The point is that it was a vile and stupid manner and opinion.” “When I see the assertion that minors are somehow subhuman, I will react.” Well, Ilsa; those are your statements and IMO they represent a fair assessment of your position. But, whether they do or don’t, they are both blatant mischaracterizations of the truth, and you know it. That is about as kind as I can put this. You cannot present any post I ever made that would support those statements; the closest you can come would be to argue that my opinion was “vile and stupid” - in your opinion. Nothing was “vile and stupid” in my manner. You can produce nothing that indicates I ever considered minors to be subhuman. Nothing. Only that they don’t have all the rights of an adult. No, for all your sophistry, you cannot support your contention and it matters little what support you garner for this “pitting.” ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/63 "2003-12-14T06:11:50Z")
Gotta agree with **county** on this one. You’re a jerk, **Ilsa\_Lund**. The decision to re-instate you after your banning was, IMHO, a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/64 "2003-12-14T09:02:40Z")
I think it was a suspension, **Desmo**. And seriously, without in any way supporting **County** whatsoever, **Ilsa** you can come on fairly strongly at times, from your smiley volcano to some quite emotional posting. I do understand that you have very strong feelings about this, but I think we get your point re: **County** and while you have gathered quite a lot of support for that opinion in this thread, their is a risk it will backfire. Just a friendly piece of advise: Wait ten minutes whenever you feel the urge to post, and think it through. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/65 "2003-12-14T09:22:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Gaspode \* > **I think it was a suspension, Desmo.** He got suspended for a week for posting a joke thread, then straight afterwards got banned for being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/66 "2003-12-14T10:53:59Z")
The banning I referred to above is evidenced in **Ilsa\_Lund** ’s Pit thread [I’m sorry.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228341): > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Bear\_Nenno_ > **He was able to post while “Suspended”. Let’s see if he can post while BANNED…** and also in **Ilsa\_Lund** ’s MPSIMS thread [Ask The Guy Who Was Banned For An Hour!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4336029) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/67 "2003-12-14T11:45:28Z")
I, also, am gonna side with **county** here. His statement in the school uniforms thread was _barely_ objectionable, and contained a valid if badly phrased point. He didn’t say that minors were somehow sub-human. I don’t know if that’s a strawman or just an over-reaction on **Ilsa\_Lund** ’s part. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/68 "2003-12-14T15:11:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. B \* > \*\* From the link: _Milk cartons should carry pictures of your grip on reality._ Holy Joe Biden, **Shodan**! \*\* [/QUOTE] I had actually heard that elsewhere, I apologize for stealing your line **Shodan.** ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/69 "2003-12-14T15:22:27Z")
> [@](#): > > And you as intelligent. Ahem. **Ilsa** , you had a good head of steam up until this point. **county** has shown himself to be a moron, and is plenty worthy of ridicule. **jackelope** has not. If you attack everyone that believes that county is not a moron worthy of a pitting, you’ll be acting like a jerk, at least IMHO. Please confine the personal attacks to the deserving. It would be a shame to lose you again. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/70 "2003-12-14T15:26:35Z")
You won’t lose me again, I promise. I would appreciate it if discussion would steer clear of my suspension and banning and eventual reinstatement. That can only go downhill fast, and no matter how badly _you_ would like that, it would not be sporting. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/71 "2003-12-14T15:29:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Obsidian > Oddly enough, if there’s one right our school systems REFUSE to give our children, it’s the right to be free from abuse. Behavior that would result in crimal charges or a fat lawsuit in the adult world is laughed off or ignored when it occurs between children. > [@](#): > > And that, for the most part, is how it should be, they are children. That is indefensible and abject utter bullshit. I reacted quite strongly, yes. I felt that it was not out of line, given what was said. Rather than hijack that thread, I started this one. That is my position. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/72 "2003-12-14T15:57:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ilsa\_Lund \* > \*\*That is indefensible and abject utter bullshit. I reacted quite strongly, yes. I felt that it was not out of line, given what was said. Rather than hijack that thread, I started this one. > > That is my position. \*\* No, Ilsa, your attack started before that post. Additionally, you failed to reference the fact that my post concerning how “that is how it should be” was subsequently clarified, with an apology from me for not being specific enough. Your position cannot be supported and you continue to mischaracterize what actually was said, when it was said and how it was said. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/73 "2003-12-14T16:03:50Z")
The content of that post was echoed in the first post I responded too. Eager to come back and join the fray when you’ve got a few friends, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/74 "2003-12-14T16:14:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by county \* > \*\*No, Ilsa, your attack started before that post. Additionally, you failed to reference the fact that my post concerning how “that is how it should be” was subsequently clarified, with an apology from me for not being specific enough. Your position cannot be supported and you continue to mischaracterize what actually was said, when it was said and how it was said. \*\* And this surprises you how? I have yet to see **Ilsa** NOT act like a complete jerk and moron. I rarely post any more but I DO read the board every day. IMHO, he should have stayed banned, YM, of course, MV. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/75 "2003-12-14T16:34:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Eager to come back and join the fray when you’ve got a few friends, eh? quoth the third-rate fairweather piss-weak fawning lickspittle blowhard. You’ve got ya fountain o’ rolleyes and yer MPSIMS biscuit games - so you think you can make yourself a Big Dog by spotting an arguable post by a Doper who’s made the odd foolish post and kicking the crap out of him for sport? Get some weight before you try to throw it around. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/76 "2003-12-14T16:36:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hawthorne \* > \*\*quoth the third-rate fairweather piss-weak fawning lickspittle blowhard. > > You’ve got ya fountain o’ rolleyes and yer MPSIMS biscuit games - so you think you can make yourself a Big Dog by spotting an arguable post by a Doper who’s made the odd foolish post and kicking the crap out of him for sport? > > Get some weight before you try to throw it around. \*\* :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/77 "2003-12-14T18:56:40Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Ilsa\_Lund \* > > \*\*From the link: _Milk cartons should carry pictures of your grip on reality._ > > > > Holy Joe Biden, **Shodan**! \*\* > > I had actually heard that elsewhere, I apologize for stealing your line **Shodan.** All that is needed is a link to show that I stole it from someone else, but forgot that I did so. In any case, no worries. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/78 "2003-12-15T07:00:55Z")
A bit off topic, but this is a pet peeve of mine. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ilsa\_Lund \* > \*\*[URL=http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228528&perpage=50&pagenumber=1]They say that humans represent a great stride in evolution of life on this planet. Being an evolutionary ecologist, I tend to agree with this view. You, however,are solid proof that evolution is false, as it’s basic tenets are violated since you have evolved > _backward_ into an unrecognizable form. \*\* If you were truly an evolutionary ecologist you would know damn well that there is no “forward” or “backward” in regards to evolution. Regardless of what you may have heard on Star Trek, humans are not evolving into a a “higher” form. We, like all life, are simply evolving to fit the environment. It is quite possible that our species will grow less intelligent over time if it turns out that our large brains consume more energy than is warranted by the benefits that come with increased intelligence. The myth that evolution has some kind of predictable direction is as annoying to me as the “if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?” thing. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/79 "2003-12-15T15:56:42Z")
> [@](#): > > If you were truly an evolutionary ecologist you would know damn well that there is no “forward” or “backward” in regards to evolution. Regardless of what you may have heard on Star Trek, humans are not evolving into a a “higher” form. We, like all life, are simply evolving to fit the environment. It is quite possible that our species will grow less intelligent over time if it turns out that our large brains consume more energy than is warranted by the benefits that come with increased intelligence. > > The myth that evolution has some kind of predictable direction is as annoying to me as the “if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?” thing. You have _got_ to be kidding. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2003, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802/80 "2003-12-15T16:27:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Gaspode \* > \*\*Just a friendly piece of advise: Wait ten minutes whenever you feel the urge to post, and think it through. \*\* How about 20 minutes, for starters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/county/218802.md?page=5)