# Couple of questions about Seinfeld **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 25, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727 "2018-06-25T18:45:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/41 "2018-06-28T14:37:42Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > In the Bubble Boy episode, there’s a scene where a waitress in a small town diner recognizes him and asks for his autograph. Jerry was there partly because the Bubble Boy wanted to meet him after seeing him on TV. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/42 "2018-06-28T16:14:06Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Per George, Kramer’s life is “Do nothing, fall ass-backwards into money, mooch food off your neighbors, and have sex without dating.” Kavorka is a heavy burden. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/43 "2018-06-28T16:27:26Z")
> [@](#): > > As for the Upper West Side apartment, I can’t see the monthly rent being any less than $2,500 per month (and probably a whole lot more, as of today’s market). > > ETA: huge living room, separate bedroom and lots of space. It could even be as high as $4,000. But Newman, a mailman, can afford to live in the same building. Granted his apartment seems a lot smaller. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/44 "2018-06-28T18:41:02Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > But Newman, a mailman, can afford to live in the same building. Granted his apartment seems a lot smaller. I’m almost certain that Newman’s apartment was the same set as Jerry’s, dressed differently. I didn’t find a lot of images, but [here are](https://res.cloudinary.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_680/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/wdnfdj8v7ufoefbrvbdn.jpg) [a couple.](https://mapsaboutnothing.com/2013/05/14/newmans-apartment/) ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/45 "2018-06-28T19:00:56Z")
FYI, [here](https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/18/nyregion/with-help-of-seinfeld-legend-in-his-own-time-the-real-kramer-tries-to-capitalize.html)’s a 1996 article about Kenny Kramer, upon whom the character was based. The article lists some of the odd jobs he’s had and mentions that he made an unspecified amount of money after he invented “electronic disco jewelry”. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/46 "2018-06-28T19:41:53Z")
> [@zimaane](#): > > But Newman, a mailman, can afford to live in the same building. Granted his apartment seems a lot smaller. [Fact Check: Paleontologists Break Down All The Ways ‘Jurassic Park’ Gets Newman Wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbErKSwsQw) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/47 "2018-06-28T20:57:11Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > 1. Successful enough to buy a new Cadillac for his dad, have a nice Manhattan apartment, and drive nice cars, like a BMW and a Saab. > > 2. George was his best friend growing up, and seeing George’s continuous ineptitude at life is apparently worth the trouble it occasionally causes him. Kramer lives across the hall, so cutting him out would be difficult, and at least Elaine is easy on the eyes. And lets face it, Jerry wasn’t the easiest guy to get along with either. > > ETA: Hah, ninja’d almost point for point by **WOOKINPANUB**. Jerry & Kramer did first meet when [Jerry moved into the apartment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OymqqpcGdXo) - Jerry made the mistake of telling Kramer “What’s mine is yours.” Very good, but Jerry didn’t have a big apartment. As a comedian, he probably struggled from time to time. Remember he used to sell umbrellas and his parents were middle class. How much money did he have? Jerry did not spend money on clothes or food. He seldom took vacations. But I’ll give him this, he has many options in the dating world even if he felt 95% of the population was un-datable! Jerry struck me as a guy who liked to be passive and entertained by his friends at all times. A reason why he could never steer clear of any of them! He needed them to feel good or keep normal. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/48 "2018-06-28T21:43:03Z")
The weirdest thing to me is that Jerry wasn’t hanging around other comedians all the time, which is what real life would be like for him. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/49 "2018-06-28T22:44:06Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > [Fact Check: Paleontologists Break Down All The Ways ‘Jurassic Park’ Gets Newman Wrong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXbErKSwsQw) And don’t get me started on _Space Jam_ and \*3rd Rock From the Sun \*. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/50 "2018-06-28T22:46:52Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > AND she’s a terrible dancer. 😃 Which is funny, because in the episode where she identifies big band music for her boss (Mr. Wick?) she really bebobs at her desk, Very cute. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/51 "2018-06-28T23:26:17Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Per George, Kramer’s life is “Do nothing, fall ass-backwards into money, mooch food off your neighbors, and have sex without dating.” It’s amazing how many people you meet in NYC that fit that description. Especially if you take out the “mooch food off your neighbors” part. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/52 "2018-06-29T00:13:56Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Per George, Kramer’s life is “Do nothing, fall ass-backwards into money, mooch food off your neighbors, and have sex without dating.” Kramer’s life is a fantasy camp. Jerry was probably living below his means though he splurged on occasion, including having his kitchenette remodeled and then demodeled. I get the impression he didn’t bother moving somewhere else because he’s compulsively neat and moving is messy. ---
**Author:** ![DooWahDiddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9bcb4/32.png) [@DooWahDiddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DooWahDiddy)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/53 "2018-06-29T13:01:37Z")
> [@seal\_cleaner](#): > > Which is funny, because in the episode where she identifies big band music for her boss (Mr. Wick?) she really bebobs at her desk, Very cute. Mr. Pitt. Next Stop Pottersville. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/54 "2018-06-29T13:27:57Z")
I’m not a car person so I don’t know which models he drove, but he always had nice cars and didn’t seem to mind how often they got destroyed/stolen/stunk up. The episode where Puddy’s a car salesman (S09E11) that might give Jerry a deal suggests that Jerry was voluntarily choosing to get a newer model despite his current car must be practically brand new. BTW: the car Jerry wanted to buy there was a Saab 900 NG convertible. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/55 "2018-06-29T14:31:52Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > The weirdest thing to me is that Jerry wasn’t hanging around other comedians all the time, which is what real life would be like for him. Well, he tried that occasionally, but Kenny Bania is hard to take for more than a few minutes at a time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/56 "2018-06-29T17:15:05Z")
Re: Jerry not having comic friends. There are repeated references to Jerry playing for a comedy club softball team. E.g. “The Pony Remark” S02E02 and “The Understudy” S06E24. Jerry and his comedy friends hold an intervention in “The Pez Dispenser” S03E14. (The comic’s problems began when Kramer drenched him at one of the club softball games.) Some comic friends appear elsewhere. E.g., in “The Stand-In” S05E16 Jerry sets up Elaine with a comic friend. Yes siree Bob. Also in that episode Jerry is put in a lineup of comics to cheer up one of their friends. (Jerry first bombs, then he kills. Ahem.) In S04E14 “The Movie” Jerry is pestered repeatedly by his “friend” comic Pat Buckles, played by real life comic Barry Diamond. One of several such comics to appear on the show. Another is Dom Irrera who played a prop comic (!) in “The Fire” S05E19. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/57 "2018-06-29T17:28:47Z")
> [@seal\_cleaner](#): > > Which is funny, because in the episode where she identifies big band music for her boss (Mr. Wick?) she really bebobs at her desk, Very cute. > [@DooWahDiddy](#): > > Mr. Pitt. Next Stop Pottersville. Right. Wick was the guy in charge of Susan Ross’ memorial foundation. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/58 "2018-06-30T20:27:35Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Right. Wick was the guy in charge of Susan Ross’ memorial foundation. I remember Mr. Wick as Drew Carey’s boss (Craig Ferguson). Was there a Mr. Wick on Seinfeld too? ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/59 "2018-06-30T20:59:28Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > I remember Mr. Wick as Drew Carey’s boss (Craig Ferguson). Was there a Mr. Wick on Seinfeld too? Actually it was “Wyck”. As noted, first turned up in S08E01 “The Foundation”. Khaaaaaaannnnnnn!!! Another example of Jerry’s standing within the comic community was S07E17 “The Friar’s Club” [sic]. Pat Cooper (playing himself) invites Jerry to said club and Seinfeldianisms ensue. So he is well known enough to be friends with an old school comic, but not yet a member of The Friars Club. There’s another mention of The Friars Club in S09E14 “The Strongbox” where Jerry is going to attend a roast of Jerry Lewis at the club. He bought a pair of cufflinks worn by Lewis in _Cinderfella_ to have an “in” to start up a conversation with him. So he didn’t know Jerry Lewis at that point but was able to attend one of their famous roasts. (Note that Jerry _Lewis_ was roasted by them 3 times, in 1971, 1986 and 2006. This episode was from 1998. Jerry _Stiller_ was roasted in 1999, emceed by Jason Alexander. Jerry _Seinfeld_ has not been roasted by them.) ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727/60 "2018-07-08T02:25:34Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > There’s another mention of The Friars Club in S09E14 “The Strongbox” where Jerry is going to attend a roast of Jerry Lewis at the club. He bought a pair of cufflinks worn by Lewis in _Cinderfella_ to have an “in” to start up a conversation with him. So he didn’t know Jerry Lewis at that point but was able to attend one of their famous roasts. Then a bird ate the cufflinks (thanks to Kramer for putting them in his birdseed!) and died, leading to them having to dig up the corpse, and running into his owners at the cemetary…:eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/couple-of-questions-about-seinfeld/816727.md?page=4)