# Courage to Change: another bad AOC idea **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 21, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326 "2020-02-21T21:45:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/1 "2020-02-21T21:45:57Z")
> **[AOC announces new PAC, endorses slate of progressive candidates for Congress](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1140306)** > > Ocasio-Cortez announced on Twitter that her new PAC, Courage to Change, was announcing its first endorsements of candidates who haven’t served in Congress. What a dumb idea from AOC, who hasn’t even completed a term in Congress. Perhaps AOC still lives in her bubble, but she should understand that it wasn’t the squad who flipped the House in 2018, it was reasonable Democrats in moderate districts. In fact, all of the Our Revolution candidates lost. The Bernie/AOC wing is utterly useless outside of deep blue districts and those don’t represent the country as a whole. AOC has certainly believed her press, I do hope she doesn’t act like a petulant child when Bernie isn’t the nominee. No one likes the hotshot new employee who shows up on day one expecting to made CEO before she knows where the bathrooms are. I think AOC is going to get a very harsh dose of cold water dumped on her head when she decides to bless the House of Representatives with her presence and return to doing the job she was elected to do. Pelosi has been around a long time and has seen upstarts come and go. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/2 "2020-02-21T21:59:52Z")
Oh no! A young progressive politician (who just happens to have a lot of talent and charisma) is trying to encourage and support other progressive politicians! How terrible for the party that young, enthusiastic progressives are trying to encourage and rally other young progressives to fight for progressive policies! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/3 "2020-02-21T22:07:17Z")
So… is this about politics and elections, or is this yet another AOC pitting, misplaced and misforumed? (For those who want to know what has Dale so upset, is that AOC is setting up a PAC for… get this… _progressive candidates_. Whoda thunk?) ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/4 "2020-02-21T22:08:17Z")
What am I missing? She’s not allowed to endorse candidates she likes? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/5 "2020-02-21T22:10:12Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > What am I missing? She’s not allowed to endorse candidates she likes? You’re not missing anything. Democrats should be very pleased that such a talented young Democrat is getting a lot of enthusiasm and attention. I guess some folks just find energetic, enthusiastic young people who think for themselves threatening, but it doesn’t make any logical sense. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/6 "2020-02-21T22:26:27Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > when she decides to bless the House of Representatives with her presence and return to doing the job she was elected to do. AOC is one of the hardest working congresscritters out there. While others are busy fundraising she’s attending hearing after hearing grilling the fuck out of bank executives, social media moguls, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/7 "2020-02-21T22:27:18Z")
Change is coming, **dalej42**. You can’t stop it. Marx was on the right track with his synthesis, antithesis, change catchphrase. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/8 "2020-02-21T22:30:57Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So… is this about politics and elections, or is this yet another AOC pitting, misplaced and misforumed? > > (For those who want to know what has Dale so upset, is that AOC is setting up a PAC for… get this… _progressive candidates_. Whoda thunk?) Ah. Thanks. I considered whether it was worthwhile to expend the energy required to click the link to see what he’s on about now, and decided not. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/9 "2020-02-21T22:39:18Z")
Moderates are terrified, and terror sometimes hides itself as contempt. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/10 "2020-02-21T23:58:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Moderates are terrified, and terror sometimes hides itself as contempt. Indeed. She wasn’t even on my radar until people started bitching about her, and, well, good for her. She’s fantastic. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2020, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/11 "2020-02-21T23:59:53Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Moderates are terrified, and terror sometimes hides itself as contempt. People tell themselves that, not sure why, but it could be dalej really does disagree with her. Certainly over the top but why would he be afraid? Does dalej have to worry about the wealth tax? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/12 "2020-02-22T00:01:01Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > [https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1140306](https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1140306) > > AOC has certainly believed her press, I do hope she doesn’t act like a petulant child when Bernie isn’t the nominee. What reason would there be to think that she would? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/13 "2020-02-22T00:04:00Z")
ETA, this isn’t the pit, is that too strong? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/14 "2020-02-22T00:07:17Z")
server time outs messing me up. The first post had a somewhat snarky comment that I deleted but didn’t see the deletion. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/15 "2020-02-22T00:33:22Z")
I wanted to add that I actually think AOC is great though I think she’s a little over the top and her assuming this leadership role a tad presumptuous. That’s what is pissing off the moderates. Sorry, terrifying the moderates. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/16 "2020-02-22T01:06:53Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Change is coming, **dalej42**. You can’t stop it. > > Marx was on the right track with his synthesis, antithesis, change catchphrase. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Moderates are terrified, and terror sometimes hides itself as contempt. Why don’t you two work it out and get back on that? 😃 I haven’t paid more attention to AOC than any other random new Congressperson, but _if_ I disagreed with someone and I countered their ideas with ideas then you could say I was part of a reaction leading to a synthesis of the idea even if the idea were total rubbish. Whereas if I called out the idea as total rubbish then I’d be showing contempt. Should useless ideas be countered with total silence? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/17 "2020-02-22T02:04:35Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Change is coming, **dalej42**. You can’t stop it. This I agree with. > [@](#): > > Marx was on the right track with his synthesis, antithesis, change catchphrase. This stopped me. AFAIK, nobody has ever said this. You’re probably thinking of thesis, antithesis, synthesis, which is sometimes attributed to Marx, but not something he actually said. Hegel did use these concepts but not in these terms. German philosopher Johann Fichte is the true author. And I think that synthesis, not change, is what the outcome of this spat will eventually be. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/18 "2020-02-22T03:00:48Z")
**dalej42** has AOC ever done _anything_ that you didn’t think was dumb, self-serving, useless, petulant and/or uppity? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/19 "2020-02-22T03:15:35Z")
The only response I have for the OP is “OK, boomer”. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2020, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/20 "2020-02-22T03:34:05Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Change is coming, **dalej42**. You can’t stop it. > > Marx was on the right track with his synthesis, antithesis, change catchphrase. Unfortunately, Dylan wasn’t when he said “Come gather 'round people, wherever you roam…” It actually physically hurts me that he wasn’t. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326.md?page=2)