# Courage to Change: another bad AOC idea **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 21, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326 "2020-02-21T21:45:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/141 "2020-02-28T01:04:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > She hasn’t persuaded any of those things. WTF are you even talking about? > > Are you saying that we will take control of government if we follow her lead? You said, “Just like the tea party was the future of the Republican party and look where it got them.” What the Tea Party got the Republican party was The White House, Congress, and two Supreme Court picks. I think it would be good for the Democratic party to have those things. I guess you disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/142 "2020-02-28T01:37:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, they went nuts to the hateful right. I don’t want to do that – I want to go the not-hateful, not nuts progressive left. Left is different than right; progressive is different than nutty and hateful. In what way is the hateful right worse than: > **[Antifa attack blogger Andy Ngo amid violence at Portland Proud Boys protest](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-attack-portland-andy-ngo-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html)** > > Police arrest three suspects after eight people injured and three taken to hospital in protest violence  The extreme left is not that much better than the extreme right. > [@](#): > > AOC isn’t “far left” to this point. Pretty much no one in the party is. The “far left” you’re talking about are the commies, way, way to the left of Bernie and AOC. No one is advocating for them. Noone is advocating for the Ku Klux Klan and yet there they are, back on the scene like they never left. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/143 "2020-02-28T01:39:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > He’s saying that the Republican strategy you’re decrying was enormously successful. Do you think that moderate Republicans think that Trump is a successful end result? They may vote for him this fall but this is not the future they hoped for. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/144 "2020-02-28T01:40:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Rather she follow ours. Not even close. She is trying to push the party in a particular direction. A direction that is subscribed to by the majority of the party. In fact that is the entire problem, that she isn’t trying to represent the Democrats, she is trying to radicalize us. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/145 "2020-02-28T01:43:28Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You said, “Just like the tea party was the future of the Republican party and look where it got them.” > > What the Tea Party got the Republican party was The White House, Congress, and two Supreme Court picks. > > I think it would be good for the Democratic party to have those things. I guess you disagree? And they now have Donald Trump. What would you have the Democrats inflict on the country? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/146 "2020-02-28T01:46:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In what way is the hateful right worse than: > > [Antifa attack conservative blogger Andy Ngo amid violence at Portland Proud Boys protest | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-attack-portland-andy-ngo-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html) > > The extreme left is not that much better than the extreme right. That has nothing to do with AOC or Bernie. The extreme left in America is virtually powerless, unlike the extreme right. > [@](#): > > Noone is advocating for the Ku Klux Klan and yet there they are, back on the scene like they never left. That’s because they never left. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And they now have Donald Trump. What would you have the Democrats inflict on the country? The Democrats wouldn’t, because we’re much, much better. The two sides are not the same. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/147 "2020-02-28T01:48:27Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not even close. She is trying to push the party in a particular direction. A direction that is subscribed to by the majority of the party. In fact that is the entire problem, that she isn’t trying to represent the Democrats, she is trying to radicalize us. “More progressive” isn’t “radical”. This is just nuts. We have a big tent party – very progressive folks are welcome, as are moderates. And all of them are welcome to try and influence the party in their preferred direction. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/148 "2020-02-28T01:49:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Do you think that moderate Republicans think that Trump is a successful end result? They may vote for him this fall but this is not the future they hoped for. …if they vote for him this fall then I would say that yes, the moderate Republican does think Trump is a successful end result. That would be an entirely reasonable conclusion to reach. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In what way is the hateful right worse than: > > [Antifa attack conservative blogger Andy Ngo amid violence at Portland Proud Boys protest | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-attack-portland-andy-ngo-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html) The “hateful right” just established an office to [denaturalize immigrants](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/denaturalization-immigrants-justice-department.html). The hateful right are in power and are using that power to completely upend everything that America pretends to be. A single “journalist” injured in an isolated incident in a city a year ago is incomparable to a regime that is separating families at the borders, locking people up in concentration camps, that has reduced refugee acceptance to a trickle. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/149 "2020-02-28T01:51:54Z")
“I hate income inequality, climate crisis, and race hatred. I am the hateful Left” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/150 "2020-02-28T01:55:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It will be a repudiation of the far left. And at that point, who among the Dems would care? The prospect of another four years of Trump - this time without any guardrails whatsoever - isn’t going to leave much energy for recriminations. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/151 "2020-02-28T02:11:42Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And they now have Donald Trump. What would you have the Democrats inflict on the country? And Republicans are thrilled. They got exactly the sort of president they’ve always wanted, who is enacting exactly the sort of policies they’ve been clamoring for for years. Which, again, is something that I’d like to see the Democratic party get. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/152 "2020-02-28T02:12:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > In what way is the hateful right worse than: > > [Antifa attack conservative blogger Andy Ngo amid violence at Portland Proud Boys protest | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-attack-portland-andy-ngo-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html) > > The extreme left is not that much better than the extreme right. _ **Bzzzzt. WRONG!** _ There are hundreds of thousands (or even millions?) of Americans that can be described as the hateful right – Stephen Miller and Trump himself, just for starters, right at the center of the White House itself. Trump rally-goers. Teabaggers. Hannity and Limbaugh are haters. Look at all the whites calling police when they see blacks in a public park or such. America is aflame with right-wing hatreds. Your link appears to go to an article about Antifa — (I’m not going to waste jamming my Adblocker just to read it) — but the Antifa is a smallish group. Does the entirety of Antifa amount to just hundreds of members, or is it just dozens? _**Moreover, the right-wing haters direct hatred against immigrants, foreigners, blacks, browns, Muslims, Democrats, gays and even women. Antifa directs its hatred specifically against right-wing haters and only them.**_ ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/153 "2020-02-28T02:17:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > And Republicans are thrilled. They got exactly the sort of president they’ve always wanted, who is enacting exactly the sort of policies they’ve been clamoring for for years. > > Which, again, is something that I’d like to see the Democratic party get. Right. It’s laughable to think otherwise. Trump is modern American conservativism almost distilled to it’s essence. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/154 "2020-02-28T02:20:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not even close. She is trying to push the party in a particular direction. A direction that is subscribed to by the majority of the party. In fact that is the entire problem, that she isn’t trying to represent the Democrats, she is trying to radicalize us. Who’s “us”? I’ve been a dem all my life, and I have always voted as far left as I could. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/155 "2020-02-28T03:21:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It does not appear that AOC’s endorsements and support have been terribly effective so far. > Julie Salazar is the only one who won the general election, and she ran unopposed. None of the others won their primaries, or even came close. > > If she’s trying to push the party further to the left, it ain’t working. > > Now she has endorsed Bernie Sanders. That is not automatically the kiss of death, but if I were Bernie, I wouldn’t be picking out furniture for the White House just yet. > > Regards, > Shodan That was in the 3-4 months or so that AOC was running to win her own primary and general election. I think it’s safe to say she hadn’t begun to be a national figure yet. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/156 "2020-02-28T05:00:56Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That has nothing to do with AOC or Bernie. The extreme left in America is virtually powerless, unlike the extreme right. > > That’s because they never left. > > The Democrats wouldn’t, because we’re much, much better. The two sides are not the same. And the Proud Boys have nothing to do with Sarah Palin. We are comparing the extremes. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/157 "2020-02-28T05:02:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “More progressive” isn’t “radical”. This is just nuts. We have a big tent party – very progressive folks are welcome, as are moderates. And all of them are welcome to try and influence the party in their preferred direction. But she is not following, she is leading ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/158 "2020-02-28T05:04:20Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > And at that point, who among the Dems would care? The prospect of another four years of Trump - this time without any guardrails whatsoever - isn’t going to leave much energy for recriminations. And it will be Bernies fault. Laid squarely at his ideologically pure feet ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/159 "2020-02-28T08:43:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And the Proud Boys have nothing to do with Sarah Palin. > > We are comparing the extremes. The extreme right has plenty to do with Trump. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > But she is not following, she is leading Oh no! A young, talented progressive leader is trying to lead! How horrible! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326/160 "2020-02-28T13:12:13Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And it will be Bernies fault. Laid squarely at his ideologically pure feet Y’know, if we wake up on November 4 and Trump’s been re-elected, if I run into someone who’s all about casting blame for the loss rather than figuring out how to help America survive this catastrophe, I’m gonna spit in his face. Just sayin’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courage-to-change-another-bad-aoc-idea/848326.md?page=9)