# Courtney Love Arrested **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725 "2003-02-04T17:26:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/1 "2003-02-04T17:26:16Z")
For being verbally abusive to cabin crew on a Virgin Atlantic flight. Now _there’s_ a shocker. :rolleyes: [http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/02/04/love.heathrow/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/02/04/love.heathrow/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/2 "2003-02-04T17:48:33Z")
She must have been framed. > [@](#): > > Television footage showed the singer appear to stagger as she was led across the airport tarmac, while waving and smiling at photographers, despite the attempts of one police officer to cover her face with a scarf. > The woman passenger said Love had “looked out of it” as she was taken away. “She had bright red lipstick on which appeared smudged,” she added. > Police said Love had been arrested for disruptive behavior and endangering an aircraft. This isn’t the Courtney Love we know-- oh wait. . . ---
**Author:** ![beckwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@beckwall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beckwall)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/3 "2003-02-04T18:39:56Z")
**Smudged red lipstick?** Now that’s a new look for Courtney. ---
**Author:** ![Ivar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ivar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ivar)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/4 "2003-02-04T20:22:36Z")
Damn! I wanted to tbe the first one here to rip on Cun…, wait, I mean, um… Courtney. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/5 "2003-02-04T20:31:21Z")
She’s in a hole lotta trouble. I hope she can live through this. She should learn how to say no. I guess she could hardly…COBAIN herself. ::bada-BUMP:: …and I’m spent. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/6 "2003-02-04T20:54:18Z")
So now it’s against the law to talk back to a bunch of glorified taxi drivers who quite often act like jerks themselves? God bless the USA :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![jane\_says](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/47e85d/32.png) [@jane\_says](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jane_says)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/7 "2003-02-04T20:59:04Z")
Not that I completely disagree, \*\*Cisco/b], but a year or so I took a verbal beating on the boards for complaining that my cousin, whose father is the president of a college and whose mother is a lifelong teacher, who had just graduated with a degree to teach herself, had taken a job as a flight attendant because the pay and benefits were better. I believe the term I used was “flying waitress.” ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/8 "2003-02-04T21:11:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cisco \* > \*\*So now it’s against the law to talk back to a bunch of glorified taxi drivers who quite often act like jerks themselves? God bless the USA :rolleyes:. \*\* Dude, I would wager that you and I could both hop into a cab, and do a pretty decent job from the start. I seriously doubt I could say the same about a 747, no matter how many times I have landed one on MSFS. ---
**Author:** ![slortar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@slortar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slortar)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/9 "2003-02-04T21:21:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LolaCocaCola \* > For being verbally abusive to cabin crew on a **Virgin** Atlantic flight. _the ineffable sound of Slortar’s mind boggling wafts through the air_ ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/10 "2003-02-04T21:22:49Z")
Hey, that cabin crew is on the plane to PROTECT me from the likes of Courtney Love. If Courtney Love plunked her skanky ass down in the seat next to mine and ordered up a half-dozen of those little airplane bottles of Dewar’s, I’d be leaning on that “Call Flight Attendant” button pretty damn hard. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/11 "2003-02-04T21:28:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cisco \* > \*\*So now it’s against the law to talk back to a bunch of glorified taxi drivers who quite often act like jerks themselves? God bless the USA :rolleyes:. \*\* So, she was arrested at Heathrow after arriving on a UK-owned airline. What, aside from a kneejerk reaction, gives you any reason to slag the USA? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/12 "2003-02-04T22:07:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Finagle \* > \*\*So, she was arrested at Heathrow after arriving on a UK-owned airline. What, aside from a kneejerk reaction, gives you any reason to slag the USA? \*\* Isn’t the UK a part of America? Like a state? Ok, since very few people on this board seem to get my humor I’ll go ahead and explain myself without the inevitable wasting of another post. The US sets these kinds of standards and practices. We had a huge kneejerk reaction after 9/11 giving law enforcement and - for some mind-boggling reason - airline employees godlike powers. Most of the western world, including the UK obviously, followed suit. I would bet dollars to donuts that she wouldn’t have been arrested for this before Sept. 11th, and nothing she did would seem to resemble the actions of a terrorist, so my opinion is that she shouldn’t have been arrested after 9/11 either. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/13 "2003-02-04T22:48:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cisco \* > \*\* > Ok, since very few people on this board seem to get my humor I’ll go ahead and explain myself without the inevitable wasting of another post. > > The US sets these kinds of standards and practices. We had a huge kneejerk reaction after 9/11 giving law enforcement and - for some mind-boggling reason - airline employees godlike powers. Most of the western world, including the UK obviously, followed suit. I would bet dollars to donuts that she wouldn’t have been arrested for this before Sept. 11th, and nothing she did would seem to resemble the actions of a terrorist, so my opinion is that she shouldn’t have been arrested after 9/11 either. \*\* Given that your “humor” is indistinguishable from “not knowing what you’re talking about”, maybe you should do a Google search on “air rage” or “flight rage”. Note, first of all, that many of these articles date from the late 90’s (e.g. long before 9/11) and secondly, that the push for heavier sanctions against air rage seem to come mostly from the airline workers and not the US government. [http://www.skyrage.org/whopage4.html](http://www.skyrage.org/whopage4.html) [http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/07/06/air-rage.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/07/06/air-rage.htm) [http://www.salon.com/travel/diary/hest/1999/09/07/rage/](http://www.salon.com/travel/diary/hest/1999/09/07/rage/) ---
**Author:** ![Tanaqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Tanaqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaqui)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/14 "2003-02-04T23:21:26Z")
Why do people hate Courtney Love so much? Is she actually that objectionable of a person, or is this just based on the BS dealing with her relationship with Kurt? I really don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/15 "2003-02-04T23:28:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tanaqui \* > **Why do people hate Courtney Love so much? Is she actually that objectionable of a person, or is this just based on the BS dealing with her relationship with Kurt?** She’s actually that objectionable of a person. And yes, I’ve met her (fortunately, briefly). It was not pleasant. I’m glad she got arrested for it, but frankly, I think any airline passenger who decides to berate the flight staff in the middle of a flight deserves what they get. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/16 "2003-02-04T23:59:39Z")
Uh huh Finagle, and every one of your articles cite air rage - **violent** acts against passengers and crew. The Courtney Love article specifically stated she was arrested for **verbal** misconduct. Don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about and then throw a non sequitur at me. Why not just blackball her from the airline? What exactly did she do that warrants her arrest? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/17 "2003-02-05T00:01:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cisco \* > > Ok, since very few people on this board seem to get my humor I’ll go ahead and explain myself without the inevitable wasting of another post. > > The US sets these kinds of standards and practices. We had a huge kneejerk reaction after 9/11 giving law enforcement and - for some mind-boggling reason - airline employees godlike powers. Most of the western world, including the UK obviously, followed suit. **I would bet dollars to donuts that she wouldn’t have been arrested for this before Sept. 11th, and nothing she did would seem to resemble the actions of a terrorist, so my opinion is that she shouldn’t have been arrested after 9/11 either.** I fail to see anything humorous about your gross micharacterizations about the US. Additionally, you’re just plain wrong with regard to her not having been arrested had this incident occurred prior to 9/11/01… [Violence in the Transport Workplace **(June 1998)**](http://www.itf.org.uk/congress/Wconf98/chappel.html) > [@](#): > > British Airways PLC said it had introduced a yellow card system in an attempt to curb “air rage” - a term used to describe passengers who are drunk and abusive or break the airline’s smoking ban. **A 400 percent jump in air range incidents globally over the last three years** led to the introduction of the yellow card, based on the sanction in soccer. It will be tried across the airline’s network starting Sept. 1. The yellow card warns offenders **they face arrest on landing** unless they cease unacceptable behaviour. Additionally, the notices will warn recipients that they will be liable for diversion costs if their behaviour forces the captain to divert the flight to the nearest airport… [The **International** Air Transport Association (Geneva, **March 2000** )](http://www.iata.org/Whip/_Files/WgId_0222/GPcomfinal.PDF#Page28) (warning: PDF File) > [@](#): > > The UK DOT released the first fully co-ordinated survey of disruptive incidents on **18 February 2000**. Out of almost 800 incidents during the survey period (April - October 1999), 366 were classified as ‘significant’ and 39 as ‘serious’. There was one incident for every 870 flights, or one in every 66,000 passengers. > > \ > > IATA and the airline industry are aware of the complexity of the problem and have been working **since the mid 1990s** to address the problem. > > \ > > IATA urges the Commission to give full support to the ICAO Study Group on Unruly Passengers and to use its influence with governments **world-wide** to support the industry’s ongoing efforts by enhancing domestic laws that facilitate the **arrest, conviction and punishment of unruly passengers**. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/18 "2003-02-05T00:05:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cisco \* > > Uh huh Finagle, and every one of your articles cite air rage - **violent** acts against passengers and crew. The Courtney Love article specifically stated she was arrested for **verbal** misconduct. Don’t tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about and then throw a non sequitur at me. > > Why not just blackball her from the airline? What exactly did she do that warrants her arrest? Then by all means, **Cisco** , allow _me_ to tell you that you don’t know what your’e talking about. See again my above post. Ms. Love was unruly and disruptive **and that’s enough to qualify as a danger to the flight crew and passengers**. Period. She was rightfully arrested upon landing. Please try to remember that you’re at The Straight Dope, not the Shoot Off My Mouth With Nonsense Dope. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/19 "2003-02-05T00:12:26Z")
**Moderators Notes** Okay, kids … this is getting away from Cafe Society territory and into Great Debates or even Pit stuff. Please calm it down or take it to one of those fora. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725/20 "2003-02-05T00:34:46Z")
The joke was UK being an American state, and I correctly predicted it going right over your head. I’ll reiterate for the last time that I **still** don’t think her behavior was terroristic or qualified as “air rage” but like Euty said, that’s probably better left for great debates (don’t pit this, for the love of god you won’t solve anything.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/courtney-love-arrested/152725.md?page=2)