# Covid Vaccine and Retinal Detachments? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [July 12, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344 "2021-07-12T20:24:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/21 "2021-09-09T23:00:20Z")
Well, the doctor should certainly report their cases to VAERS. There will always be random bad stuff that happens after a vaccination, and the whole purpose of VAERS is to track those things and see if they happen more often than random chance would predict. But… 90 days later doesn’t sound likely to be related. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/22 "2021-09-09T23:06:37Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > about 90 days If you’re getting inflamed eyes 3 months after vaccination, it’s not the vaccination causing it. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/23 "2021-09-09T23:13:01Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > Yes, I know of a 40 year old in great physical condition that was diagnosed _ **bilateral** _ retina detachment after the covid vaccine (not sure which one) about 90 days. Someone I know got herpes 60 days after getting the COVID vaccine. With this new knowledge their spouse can relax as it was obviously caused by the vaccine, not by sleeping with their herpes-having ex-boyfriend that they lunch with every week. CNN says otherwise, but we both know better, right? ---
**Author:** ![ScienceNotfromCNN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@ScienceNotfromCNN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScienceNotfromCNN)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/24 "2021-09-09T23:36:08Z")
I’m not saying it was the vaccine, just answering the original question, The 90 days is when the eye surgery occurred to stop the progression in both eye, sorry I wasn’t clear. He started having minor vision issues not long after the vaccine that started to get worse overtime, so weeks later with a worsening condition he scheduled the eye doctor appointment (which took several weeks). After scheduling an appointment with an eye doctor, that doctor then referred him to a specialist. All of these appointments take time, so it took about 90 days from the vaccination to the surgery. Again, this is just answering the question. But if you are a vaccine promoter, here is one for you. My step daughter’s best friend (a 29 year old with no comorbidities) was vaccinated yesterday and is in hospital today with blood clots…I would say that is most likely related. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/25 "2021-09-09T23:43:01Z")
Being acquainted with two separate people with purported serious side effects of Covid-19 vaccination puts you in pretty select company. Maybe it’s because you’re deeply into ScienceNotfromCNN, unlike us “vaccine promoters”. 🤨 Incidentally, Covid-19 _infection_ has been linked with occasionally serious eye problems including conjunctivitis, retinopathy and unexplained growths, though the purported pathophysiology is still being worked out. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/26 "2021-09-10T00:07:28Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > But if you are a vaccine promoter You’re not? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/27 "2021-09-10T00:10:15Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Incidentally, Covid-19 _infection_ has been linked with occasionally serious eye problems including conjunctivitis, retinopathy and unexplained growths, though the purported pathophysiology is still being worked out. Covid infection has also been linked to blood clots. I read a wild and creepy essay by a doctor who was delicately removing a covid-induced clot from someone’s brain, and watched, in real time, as a new clot formed. He said he’d never seen anything like it. The kidney damage that covid causes is often from lots of little clots damaging the delicate structures in the kidney. I gather that while moderate cases are all about pneumonia, deadly cases are often about blood clots and heart damage. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/28 "2021-09-10T00:11:41Z")
Following up: > [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > My step daughter’s best friend (a 29 year old with no comorbidities) was vaccinated yesterday and is in hospital today with blood clots…I would say that is most likely related. Actually, that scenario makes it _unlikely_ that the blood clots were due to the vaccine. The rare syndrome that has been linked to Covid-19 vaccination (AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines), vaccine-induced immune thrombotic cytopenia (VITT) has a much different clinical presentation as far as onset goes: “The syndrome likely begins in a narrow window 5 to 10 days post-vaccination, leading to identification of cases typically between 5 to 30 days post-vaccination (potentially later, especially if there is a delay in recognizing the symptoms and/or in seeking medical attention)”. > **[UpToDate](https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt)** > > {{configCtrl2.metaDescription()}} ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/29 "2021-09-10T00:16:16Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > The 90 days is when the eye surgery occurred to stop the progression in both eye, sorry I wasn’t clear. Then it wasn’t retinal detachment. The retine dies in a couple of day after being detached, and once it’s dead there’s no treatment to fix it. I have two friends who’ve suffered retinal detachment somewhat recently. One lives on the west coast and was on east coast when it happened. He had to change his plane tickets to fly back home ASAP so it could be treated within the safe window. Otherwise he would have been stuck on the east coast for months. (He couldn’t fly for a long time after the surgery.) Also, at the peak of covid in my state, when it was illegal to get non-emergency medical care, I had some eye symptoms which my doctor thought might be retinal detachment. I had an appointment early next day. And they treated it that day. ---
**Author:** ![ScienceNotfromCNN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@ScienceNotfromCNN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScienceNotfromCNN)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/30 "2021-09-10T00:59:05Z")
Really? Are you playing internet doctor? I wasn’t saying both were detached! But they were becoming detached. And “No”, it doesn’t always happen in a matter a of days. Does your mommy know you are on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![ScienceNotfromCNN](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@ScienceNotfromCNN](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ScienceNotfromCNN)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/31 "2021-09-10T01:06:58Z")
Okay. Got it. Must be just a coincidence 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/32 "2021-09-10T01:21:51Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > Yes, I know of a 40 year old in great physical condition that was diagnosed _ **bilateral** _ retina detachment after the covid vaccine (not sure which one) about 90 days. His doctor was confused because his family has no history of this condition and the doctor wrote it off as a coincidence and it was not reported to the manufacture or VARS But _you_ know about this anecdote because…? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/33 "2021-09-10T01:27:15Z")
Moderating: > [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > Really? Are you playing internet doctor? I wasn’t saying both were detached! But they were becoming detached. And “No”, it doesn’t always happen in a matter a of days. Does your mommy know you are on the internet? Enough of this, please. You can discuss this in a civil manner in this forum. Reserve your taunting for the Pit, if you must. Not a Warning, but don’t keep pressing the ‘jerk’ button or your time here will be short. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/34 "2021-09-10T01:36:05Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > Okay. Got it. Must be just a coincidence You’re replying to a pathologist, ya know. I tend to think he knows more than you. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/35 "2021-09-10T02:59:48Z")
And while I am not a doctor, I have spent a LOT of hours talking with eye doctors about retinal detachment, because I had posterior vitreous detachment, and various symptoms suggestive of retinal detachment. It’s considered an emergency. Like, a “call us in the middle of the night if you notice these symptoms” emergency. If they made your friend wait 90 days, they did not think their retina was detaching. > **[Retinal Detachment | National Eye Institute](https://www.nei.nih.gov/learn-about-eye-health/eye-conditions-and-diseases/retinal-detachment)** > > Retinal detachment is an eye problem that happens when your retina is pulled away from its normal position. Learn about the symptoms and treatment options. > If you have symptoms of retinal detachment, **go to your eye doctor or the emergency room right away**. Retinal detachment can cause permanent vision loss — but getting treatment right away can help protect your vision. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/36 "2021-09-10T04:04:40Z")
> [@ScienceNotfromCNN](#): > > I wasn’t saying both were detached! Perhaps what you meant was that he was diagnosed with bilateral retinal tears? Sometimes loosely called ‘detachment’? I’m not aware of any information showing higher levels of retinal tears post vaccination: in any case, if the effect existed due to inflammation, it would be swamped by the higher levels post COVID infection. The number of people receiving examination for retinal tears has apparently dropped during COVID (and during COVID vaccination), rather than risen, which would indicate that whatever the rate caused by COVID, it is smaller the effect of reduced medical referral. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/37 "2021-09-10T11:01:49Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > The rare syndrome that has been linked to Covid-19 vaccination (AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines), vaccine-induced immune thrombotic cytopenia (VITT) has a much different clinical presentation as far as onset goes: > > “The syndrome likely begins in a narrow window 5 to 10 days post-vaccination, leading to identification of cases typically between 5 to 30 days post-vaccination (potentially later, especially if there is a delay in recognizing the symptoms and/or in seeking medical attention)”. > > [http://uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt](http://uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt) I don’t know, this sounds like it could be science **from** CNN, and that’s just not going to convince anyone. To be really convincing, you should only link to 30 minute long YouTube videos from random people and doctors not in any related field. And, it’s important to happen to personally know lots of people who have had some of the rarest side effect. Man, what are the chances? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/38 "2021-09-10T12:52:36Z")
I got my first Covid vax in March. When I awoke the next morning and happened to look out my bedroom window, I noticed that all my geraniums had died. Could this have been just a coincidence? I never reported this to VAERS. Should I, at this late date? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/39 "2021-09-10T13:07:04Z")
It’s not impossible that someone’s stepdaughter’s cousin twice removed’s friend of a friend developed blood clots a couple weeks after getting a J&J Covid vaccine. I suspect that along the way, the time course of events got shifted to make the telling more dramatic, i.e. "she got the vax and was hospitalized _the very next day!_. As for the geraniums, could spike proteins shed from a vaccinated person damage plant cell walls and cause dehydration and sudden death? Just asking questions. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344/40 "2021-09-10T13:14:04Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > As for the geraniums, could spike proteins shed from a vaccinated person damage plant cell walls and cause dehydration and sudden death? Just asking questions. Yes, of course! Stabbing your plants with spikes will usually kill them. I have a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who got the vaccine and gained the ability to fly using fart power. Just the kind of science you’ll never hear about on CNN. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccine-and-retinal-detachments/946344.md?page=3)