# Covid Vaccines in Canada **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [March 2, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089 "2021-03-02T04:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/422 "2021-07-06T23:29:06Z")
> **[Archived 6: Recommendations on the use of COVID-19 vaccines \[2021-03-16\] -...](https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/national-advisory-committee-on-immunization-naci/recommendations-use-covid-19-vaccines/march-16-2021.html)** > > Version archivée des recommandations sur l'utilisation des vaccins contre la COVID-19 autorisés, car leur utilisation est approuvée au Canada. March 16 > [@](#): > > Table 2. Recommended immunization schedule, by COVID-19 vaccine has been updated to reflect NACI’s current recommendation for extending the interval for the second dose of COVID-19 vaccines up to four months after the first. The rationale for the intervals included in this table has been included. Didn’t bother looking further back in time to identify the the NACI’s statements on effectively moving to a mass single dose strategy ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/423 "2021-07-06T23:42:37Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Fully vaccinated is still only 36.6% of the population, though. I’m pleased to say that together, my husband and I have raised this figure by 0.000005% today. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/424 "2021-07-07T01:32:36Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > We are vaccinating at a pace 10x compared to the US. At our current rate, we will pass the US on **second** doses in 10 days. They will never reach the first dose vaccination level that we have, which is growing too slowly for my taste. I suppose that’s only because our " famously compliant population got in line". I’m not sure if that was supposed to be an example of how horrible we are in Canada or what… I guess we don’t understand the power that the freedom to be unvaccinated gives us. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/426 "2021-07-07T13:21:49Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Basically the US is the outlier. Canada’s only saving grace is the willingness of ~70% of the population to get vaccinated. Out problem remains the 30% that are too unconcerned, unmotivated and/or willfully ignorant to get even 1 shot. Your math is slightly off. From a total pop % it’s a valid comparison between countries, but if you are looking at vaccine reluctance it’s the wrong metric. Our total population is about 38M, of which about 33M are 12 or older per Stats Can: [Population estimates on July 1st, by age and sex (statcan.gc.ca)](https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000501) The ~ 13% of population under 12 are not holdouts and shouldn’t be counted. We have partially vaccinated 25M of the 12+ population, which is close to 79%. I still think 20% is too high, but I believe once family doctors start calling in to unvaccinated patients that number will drop to about 15%. A familiar voice that they trust will encourage another 5% of the pop to get their shots. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/427 "2021-07-07T13:27:24Z")
15% is still frighteningly high and well above the number needed to keep the virus in circulation. It’s truly astounding to me that about one in five Canadian adults simply refuse to get vaccinated, but it appears to be the case. Something must be done. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/428 "2021-07-07T13:33:48Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > The ~ 13% of population under 12 are not holdouts and shouldn’t be counted. We have partially vaccinated 25M of the 12+ population, which is close to 79%. I still think 20% is too high, but I believe once family doctors start calling in to unvaccinated patients that number will drop to about 15%. A familiar voice that they trust will encourage another 5% of the pop to get their shots. That’s a fair point. I am taking these as overall population numbers and it’s very possible they are only for eligible populations. After this past year though I tend to come down on the pessimistic side when it comes to talking about people ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/429 "2021-07-07T13:42:34Z")
I’ve mixed my numbers. The fully and partial columns are (or should have been) obviously inverted. | | Fully | Partial | Model 1 | Model 2 | If all @ Full Model 1 | If all @ Full Model 2 | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Canada | 38 | 31 | 54 | 52 | 59 | 62 | | UK | 50 | 17 | 54 | 54 | 57 | 60 | | Israel | 60 | 5.7 | 55 | 55 | 56 | 59 | | US | 47 | 7.5 | 45 | 45 | 46 | 49 | Which properly flags the contribution of larger fully vaccinated population %s. So let’s see if I can get the original post deleted but I’ll post it here for record keeping. > [@Grey](#): > > Using the data from [here](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=population&hideControls=true&Metric=People+vaccinated+%28by+dose%29&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=CAN~GBR~USA~IND~ISR) lets look at 2 play models. My original guess at 70/85% immunity for partial and fully vaccinated and a 65/90% one. Then for fun what if the cumulative % of people vaccinated were all fully dosed? > > | | Partially | Fully | Model 1 | Model 2 | If all @ Full Model 1 | If all @ Full Model 2 | > | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | > | Canada | 38 | 31 | 53 | 51 | 59 | 62 | > | UK | 50 | 17 | 49 | 47 | 57 | 60 | > | Israel | 60 | 5.7 | 47 | 44 | 56 | 59 | > | US | 47 | 7.5 | 39 | 37 | 46 | 49 | > > Basically the US is the outlier. Canada’s only saving grace is the willingness of ~70% of the population to get vaccinated. Out problem remains the 30% that are too unconcerned, unmotivated and/or willfully ignorant to get even 1 shot. > > Seriously if that remaining 30 managed even just 1 shot the ability of this thing to propagated would be cut off at the knees…spikes…whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/430 "2021-07-07T13:42:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Something must be done. Move them all to PEI and blockade the island? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/431 "2021-07-07T13:43:41Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Move them all to PEI and blockade the island? You do have to pay to get off… ---
**Author:** ![Slight\_Off\_Hand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@Slight\_Off\_Hand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slight_Off_Hand)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/432 "2021-07-07T13:45:48Z")
After 72 hours of non stop Anne of Green Gables it’s worth it. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/433 "2021-07-07T18:12:58Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > > [@RickJay](#): > > > > Something must be done. > > Move them all to PEI and blockade the island? Dart them from helicopters and put an ear tag on them for identification purposes. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/434 "2021-07-08T16:07:29Z")
On July 7 only 43,000 first doses were handed out, against an unvaccinated population of about seven _million_ eligible Canadians. Well over 400,000 second doses were administered. People who want to get vaccinated are getting vaccinated. An alarming number don’t want to. This is the #1 issue, by a mile. Distribution never was a serious issue. Supply was, but is not an issue anymore. Border controls don’t matter if one in five people here refuse to see reason. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/435 "2021-07-08T17:01:18Z")
Distribution is absolutely still an issue. It is still an effort in most parts of the country to get a vaccine. The evidence is in the posts above me - the various hoops people here have had to jump through to get their shots. There are going to be some people who will get the shot eventually, but aren’t going to try to figure out an opaque provincial health authority booking website, or call around to a dozen pharmacies looking for openings, or waiting for an hour in a lineup in a walk-in/drive-thru clinic. There aren’t going to be huge numbers of such people, but there will be some. Or maybe I’m just saying that to keep from despairing about living in the worst province for vaccine uptake. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/436 "2021-07-09T11:38:29Z")
No, I think you’re right. There’s a lot of people stumbling through life with mild-ish anxiety issues, there’s the computer/phone tree inept, the not connected etc. All of who may have found the process to get onto a list or understand who qualifies when, for what, where, too difficult/frustrating to navigate. If your computer didn’t play nice with the health unit interface there was no place to turn for help. The phone lines were a mess of hard to understand phone trees and overwhelming volumes. So, I believe it’s likely, a not unsubstantial group will be swept up when this is passed off to family physicians. They will reach out to the unvaxxed, are a trusted voice to them, understand their medical issues/worries, and will have it at the ready next visit! ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/437 "2021-07-09T14:49:43Z")
Even just the availability of walk-in/drive-thru clinics with no lineups would make a difference to people like that. Head down to the arena that was the site of 4-hr lineups last month, and now it’s a quick in and out in scarcely more time than the 15 minute observation period. I’m staying optimistic that we’ll see a steady continued trickle of first doses. After the US uptake began to plateau, it has nevertheless stayed on a pretty steady, albeit slow, upward pace. If you look at the cumulative first dose per capita chart on worldindata, the US was about where we are now relative to the initial plateauing of first dose uptake in mid-May. In the following 7 weeks, they’ve added about another 7% of the total population. We’re now at 69% with a first dose, suggesting we can realistically expect to eventually get to at least 75%. And remember that 13% or so are under 12, so into the ballpark of 85% uptake among those eligible. Later this year we may see approval for vaccines for children, which would increase the overall stats to somewhere north of 80%. That’s not so bad. Unfortunately, Saskatchewan is trailing the national average by 8% or so. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/438 "2021-07-12T19:01:12Z")
Looks like by the end of this week, Canada will be catch up and be ahead of the US in terms of the percentage of the population with both doses of vaccine. Got my 2nd shot yesterday, and the process was easy and smooth. No delays, very efficient. We’re creeping up on the number of first shots too. Need to get more in the 20 - 29 age group, since these are the folks that are hardest to reach at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/439 "2021-07-14T15:05:43Z")
Here are the latest updates on vaccination stats Canada vs the world: (from [Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaCoronavirus/comments/ok5bn8/ontario_july_14th_update_153_new_cases_216/)) **Global Vaccine Comparison:** - doses administered per 100 people (% with at least 1 dose), to date - Full list on Tab 6 - [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations) - Israel: 126.37 (66.26), United Kingdom: 119.28 (67.73), Mongolia: 118.96 (64.16), Canada: 115.07 (69.69), - United States: 100.15 (55.18), Germany: 99.32 (58.49), China: 97.41 (n/a), Italy: 97.23 (59.61), - European Union: 92.79 (54.68), Sweden: 92.52 (56.34), France: 90.53 (53.2), Turkey: 71.2 (45.46), - Saudi Arabia: 59.16 (51.55), Argentina: 55.88 (44.65), Brazil: 55.05 (41.78), Japan: 50.33 (31.14), - South Korea: 40.28 (30.67), Mexico: 39.81 (27.71), Australia: 36.49 (27.07), Russia: 33.37 (20.17), - India: 28.09 (22.56), Indonesia: 18.8 (13.31), Pakistan: 9.3 (n/a), South Africa: 7.65 (6.74), - Bangladesh: 6.14 (3.54), Vietnam: 4.19 (3.9), Nigeria: 1.91 (1.23), - Map charts showing rates of [at least one dose](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7fegCALd11ElozUYcMi-e9Dj69YaiNQhvEpk81JHsyTACl0UXkWK5zfMNFe49Tq3VuN9Av-fuEZqV/pubchart?oid=1188693775&format=interactive) and [total doses per 100 people](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ7fegCALd11ElozUYcMi-e9Dj69YaiNQhvEpk81JHsyTACl0UXkWK5zfMNFe49Tq3VuN9Av-fuEZqV/pubchart?oid=760938472&format=interactive) **Global Vaccine Pace Comparison - doses per 100 people in the last week:** - [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart) - Canada: 8.59 Italy: 6.3 Sweden: 6.06 Turkey: 5.98 France: 5.86 - Japan: 5.78 European Union: 5.71 Argentina: 5.4 Germany: 5.15 Saudi Arabia: 4.9 - China: 4.89 Brazil: 4.41 Australia: 3.54 Russia: 3.0 Mexico: 2.79 - Mongolia: 2.47 United Kingdom: 2.46 India: 2.42 South Korea: 1.65 South Africa: 1.52 - Indonesia: 1.46 Pakistan: 1.17 United States: 1.11 Israel: 0.84 Vietnam: 0.16 - Nigeria: 0.05 Bangladesh: 0.0 At out current vaccination pace we will pass the UK in 5 days and be the world leader passing Israel in about 11 days. Given our slow start at the beginning of the year, this can be held out as nothing but an outstanding success by the vaccination teams at all levels of government in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/440 "2021-07-14T15:10:18Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Given our slow start at the beginning of the year, this can be held out as nothing but an outstanding success by the vaccination teams at all levels of government in Canada. I completely agree. I’ll be interested to see how this can be spun into a negative by some. The last try, insulting our “famously compliant population” and trying to paint Canadians as negatively as possible for getting vaccinated seems to have fallen flat. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/441 "2021-07-16T17:51:53Z")
My wife and I are now fully vaccinated - 2nd dose +14 days. I found the process to be simple and efficient both times, with many more sites opened for the second one, which meant we got it a 5 minute walk from home instead of halfway across the city for the first. Both times there was a bit of a wait until I got into the Ontario provincial booking system, but the wait time was very efficiently managed, with constant updates on where I was in the virtual queue and when I could expect to enter the booking site. (Someone needs to get kudos for how well this was set up!) My city (Ottawa) is now over 52% for both shots and 81% for first shots of 18+ eligible residents. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/442 "2021-07-16T18:46:04Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#): > > (Someone needs to get kudos for how well this was set up!) For the most part, the provincial distribution plans have been very well done. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089.md?page=23)