# Covid Vaccines in Canada **URL:** \ **Category:** The Quarantine Zone\ **Tags:** covid-quarantine\ **Created:** [March 2, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089 "2021-03-02T04:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/513 "2021-07-29T17:18:48Z")
> [@Mallard](#): > > And if she’s like me who has been vaccinated with AZ, she may have a problem. That was the big push here in Sask this spring “please take the vaccine offered” which was AZ. Now I’m hearing that’s not “recognized” in the US as well as much of EU. She’s over 80, so she’s double vaxxed with Pfizer. On the other hand, I’m in my 50s so I received one shot of AZ with a Pfizer second shot which puts me in the mixed up camp. Luckily I don’t expect the US to ever care about vaccination status. The only trips I have planned over the next 12 months are the US and Iceland. Iceland explicitly recognizes mixed mRNA and mixed AZ/mRNA so I’m good there. I figure past next summer it will be moot because we have either beaten this or we will have moved on to boosters. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/514 "2021-07-30T20:28:04Z")
Today’s numbers for fully vaccinated in countries above 1 million population, with increases since last time I posted on July 28 ``` United Arab Emirates 69.9% (Up 0.50%) Chile 63.54% (Up 0.29%) Uruguay 63.50% (up 1.03%) Israel 61.93% (up 0.30%) Qatar 59.27% (up 0.42%) Canada 57.98% (up 1.24%) Hungary 56.20% (up 0.24%) ``` Interestingly, of these countries, Canada has the largest % of folks only partially vaccinated, which means our pool of _potential to be fully vaccinated_ would seem to be larger ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/515 "2021-08-02T21:19:19Z")
Just posted this on another thread. These are quite good numbers when compared to many areas of the USA. > **[Fewer than 1 of every 1,500 COVID shots wasted in Canada](https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/fewer-than-1-of-every-1500-covid-shots-wasted-in-canada)** > > Partway through the country’s effort to vaccinate as many Canadians as possible against COVID, fewer than one out of every 1,500 vaccine doses had gone to waste in Canada — a rate praised by the Public Health Agency of Canada in recently published... ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/516 "2021-08-02T21:53:45Z")
Today’s numbers for fully vaccinated in countries above 1 million population, with increases since last time I posted on July 30 ```auto 1. United Arab Emirates 70.6% (Up 0.70%) 2. Chile 64.45% (Up 0.91%) 3. Uruguay 64.00% (up 0.05%) 4. Israel 62.13% (up 0.30%) 5. Qatar 60.36% (up 1.09%) 6. Canada 59.39% (up 1.41%) 7. Singapore 57.98 (new entry) 8. Spain 57.61 (new entry) 9. Belgium 57.21 (new entry) ``` ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/517 "2021-08-02T22:25:54Z")
Chile has a very high vaccination rate because they early went all-in on getting as much vaccine from anywhere as they could. They got a lot of CoronaVac (Sinovac), so another factor is that they were not one of the countries that _couldn’t_ get CoronaVac because the Chinese wanted to direct supplies somewhere else. CoronaVac is, I think, an inactivated virus. In theory, this makes it potentially less effective because it’s not targeted at the stable critical region of the Corona Virus, and potentially more effective because it may excite a broader immune response. Chile had a big outbreak following Christmas, perhaps indicating that CoronaVac is not very good at preventing outbreaks (it has a ??? reported efficiency rate of ~60% ??? instead of ~85% for some other vaccines), but the January~April outbreak wasn’t Delta was it? How is Chile doing against Delta? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/518 "2021-08-03T01:37:08Z")
All of the top countries, including Canada, are now running into limits based on vaccine hesitancy rather than supply and distribution problems. Anyone in Canada or the US over 12 can get the vaccine if they want it. I just read that 50% of hospital staffs in California have not been vaccinated. And 40% of New York teachers are refusing the vaccine. What the hell is up with that? ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/519 "2021-08-03T04:49:24Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I just read that 50% of hospital staffs in California have not been vaccinated. And 40% of New York teachers are refusing the vaccine. What the hell is up with that? Cite please? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/520 "2021-08-03T05:39:18Z")
> **[After Seven Months, 40 Percent of New York City Educators Aren’t Vaccinated |...](https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/after-seven-months-40-percent-of-new-york-city-educators-arent-vaccinated/)** > > After insisting that in-person schooling was too dangerous for a year, 40 percent of New York City public school employees aren’t vaccinated. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/521 "2021-08-03T12:37:13Z")
That cite doesn’t show any of that. Looks like a deeply flawed reading of the news. 1. It says ~40% (just a bit less than that at the moment) aren’t vaccinated. It doesn’t say they all refuse the vaccine. It says they haven’t been vaccinated yet. Sure, some of them probably do refuse but almost certainly not all of them. 2. It doesn’t mention teachers specifically but department employees, which include everybody from teachers to administrators to coaches to nurses to security workers to staff members. I’d say janitors, except that’s usually contracted out these days and wouldn’t count. 3. There’s nothing in there about California in general. Doing a quick [Google tour](https://www.ocregister.com/2021/08/01/at-some-california-hospitals-nearly-half-of-workers-remain-unvaccinated/),it is true that at some - not all - California hospitals, the unvaccinated rate is indeed at 50% or more. But at many others, the vaccinated rate exceeds 90%. I’d be surprised if the overall hospital employee vaccination rate in California did not meet or more likely exceed California’s overall average vaccination rate (65% at least one dose, a majority full vaccinated, but with significant differences in distribution by location). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/522 "2021-08-03T14:11:05Z")
Perhaps discussion of New York teachers and California hospital staff could go in another thread? ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/523 "2021-08-03T16:05:12Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s nothing in there about California in general. Doing a quick [Google tour](https://www.ocregister.com/2021/08/01/at-some-california-hospitals-nearly-half-of-workers-remain-unvaccinated/),it is true that at some - not all - California hospitals, the unvaccinated rate is indeed at 50% or more. But at many others, the vaccinated rate exceeds 90%. I’d be surprised if the overall hospital employee vaccination rate in California did not meet or more likely exceed California’s overall average vaccination rate (65% at least one dose, a majority full vaccinated, but with significant differences in distribution by location). I found exactly the same cite and was more focused on healthcare workers than teachers. I found that number highly suspicious. Anyway, dropping the hijack. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/524 "2021-08-05T16:08:46Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It says ~40% (just a bit less than that at the moment) aren’t vaccinated. It doesn’t say they all refuse the vaccine. It says they haven’t been vaccinated yet. Sure, some of them probably do refuse but almost certainly not all of them. Those numbers are converging pretty damn quickly. In the State of New York, over 75% of adults have received at least one dose, and the majority of that group are already at two. If 40% of a given profession are well below that, there is almost unquestionably more vaccine refusal in that group. As to what proportion of unvaccinated people are refusers… at this point, it’s clearly most of them. And to go back to Sam’s point, wouldn’t one expect the refusal rate amongst health care workers to be lower than the norm? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/525 "2021-08-05T16:42:15Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > And to go back to Sam’s point, wouldn’t one expect the refusal rate amongst health care workers to be lower than the norm? I’d like to see this broken down into doctors, ICU nurses, Practical nurses, care aides, hospital cleaners, porters, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/526 "2021-08-06T18:26:36Z")
Today’s numbers, with updates since last time I posted on Aug 2: ```auto 1. United Arab Emirates 71.5% (Up 0.90%) 2. Uruguay 65.41% (up 1.41%), up one spot 3. Chile 64.54% (Up 0.09%), down one spot (data may be delayed) 4. Israel 62.28% (up 0.15%) 5. Singapore 61.85% (up 3.87%), up two spots 6. Qatar 62.58% (up 2.22%), down one spot 7. Belgium 61.17% (up 3.96%) up two spots 8. Canada 60.93% (up 1.54%), down two spots 9. Spain 59.96% (up 2.35%, down one spot) ``` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089.md?page=25)