# Covid Vaccines in Canada
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089
**Category:** The Quarantine Zone
**Tags:** covid-quarantine
**Created:** [March 2, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089 "2021-03-02T04:00:12Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 7
### Author:  [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/121 "2021-04-17T03:09:57Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#):
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> It’s interesting that for all the flack in the press about the delays in vaccination, the only two G20 countries are ahead of us are the UK and US. Even Germany, the home of BioNTech is not doing as well as Canada.
The EU is a huge collection of jurisdictions and overweening bureaucracy. We should be tracking the UK and U.S. more closely than the EU.
And we are now paying a big price for our tardiness. The U.S., with close to 60% of the populatiin vaccinated, is seeing cases either in decline or steady. In Canada we have a new wave that is absolutely exploding. Many people will die because we didn’t get vaccines out fast enough.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/122 "2021-04-17T03:50:49Z")
I’m sure we’ll find someone to blame for something if we just look hard enough.
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### Author:  [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/123 "2021-04-17T03:52:07Z")
With no domestic manufacturing capacity, the de facto US export ban, and the EU on the verge of restricting exports themselves, I remain completely mystified as to what you think we could have done to obtain vaccines at any significantly faster rate.
Domestic manufacturing of the genetically engineered vaccines in under a year was never going to happen, and the conventional attenuated virus vaccines we could make haven’t made it through trials yet. The US was never going to export any vaccines prior to being mostly vaccinated themselves, and especially not if the election had gone the other way. And the EU would be perfectly entitled to prevent larger shipments to us. There are no delivery contracts that trump national sovereignty. Honestly the only way we were ever going to get vaccines any faster than we are would have been if the CanSino thing had worked out, but you think pursuing that was a mistake.
And finally, we’re now starting to see distribution capacity limits. Saskatchewan hasn’t been significantly over 80% of delivered doses administered for a couple weeks now, and everyone else is behind us. And yet the remaining 20% is a larger and larger number every day. We have 70k doses on ice, which is a full week supply. Ontario’s sitting on 1.2 million doses. And let’s not even talk about Manitoba or Nova Scotia, because I have no idea what’s going on there.
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### Author:  [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/124 "2021-04-17T13:50:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#):
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> And we are now paying a big price for our tardiness. The U.S., with close to 60% of the populatiin vaccinated, is seeing cases either in decline or steady. In Canada we have a new wave that is absolutely exploding. Many people will die because we didn’t get vaccines out fast enough.
Self satisfied morons that mocked VOC projections 6-8 weeks ago, should get a hefty does of blame.
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### Author:  [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/125 "2021-04-17T15:16:00Z")
> [@Grey](#):
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> Self satisfied morons that mocked VOC projections 6-8 weeks ago, should get a hefty does of blame.
“We believe in modelling, but we are ‘trust but verify’ people”
It’s like crashing your car before you decide you need to buy insurance.
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### Author:  [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/126 "2021-04-17T15:27:12Z")
The charts still whack. Canada’s current case surge looks about the same as the January one. The entirety of the blame goes to jurisdictions that opened up in the face of these warnings rather than using caution. Remember beck when we couldn’t blame surges on the variants? Like that.
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### Author:  [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/127 "2021-04-17T15:41:53Z")
The case counts look worse than at any other time.
On the other hand: people are becoming more fatigued and aggressive. Hooray!
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/128 "2021-04-17T16:03:45Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#):
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> And let’s not even talk about Manitoba or Nova Scotia, because I have no idea what’s going on there.
Does anyone know? I was looking at vaccination stats, and most of the Maritimes (not just Nova Scotia), along with Manitoba and Alberta, are lagging way behind. On the plus side, they’re the only ones who make Ontario’s mediocre performance look good by comparison.
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### Author:  [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/129 "2021-04-17T16:47:41Z")
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Still lower than the January high on the 7 day running average.
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### Author:  [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)
#### Post date: [April 17, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/130 "2021-04-17T16:58:34Z")
And they are FINALLY talking about enforcement!
Sheesh, after how many months of begging cooperation, scoldings and warnings? If they’d done a little enforcement six months ago, I don’t think we’d be quite where we are now. It’s not like municipalities aren’t bleeding money, they could use the cash!
They broke up uni parties here with stern warnings, time and time again. Places not abiding distancing, same story. It’s no wonder every day that passed more people were inclined to just ignore the protocols.
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### Author:  [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/131 "2021-04-18T02:11:32Z")
> **[Coronavirus hospitalizations up in Quebec and Ontario](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-coronavirus-latest-ontario-sees-new-daily-covid-19-cases-edge-down-but/)**
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> Ontario is reporting 4,362 new infections, but more than 2,000 virus patients currently in hospital for the first time
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/132 "2021-04-18T02:30:04Z")
> [@elbows](#):
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> And they are FINALLY talking about enforcement!
Well, they (the Ontario government) talked about it alright, but after going way overboard trying to impose excessive police powers, and getting pushback from virtually every police department in the province which flatly refused to do random spot checks, they are now backing down. In fact your own municipal police department was one of the first to decry the government’s edict as likely unconstitutional.
> **[Ontario walks back new policing powers following pushback | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-police-random-spot-checks-1.5991872)**
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> Ontario's government walked back some of its new policing powers one day after they were announced, now only allowing police to stop vehicles or people if they are suspected of participating in an organized public event or social gathering.
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### Author:  [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/133 "2021-04-18T02:56:24Z")
Yeah, not the sort of enforcement I was hoping for. The students at the uni are killing our numbers here, if they’d fined several back when, I don’t think they’d be such an issue now.
That’s the enforcement that would have really helped. They busted up several house parties, but levied only two fines in all. It made them ‘look‘ like they were responding to complaints, but without follow through with fines, the message sent was more, ‘nothing to really worry about’, so the students just carried on. They’ve now closed several residences, sent students home, because of so many outbreaks at the campus.
I know students this age are hard to contain, but the whole city is taking the hit. It’s now one of the hardest hit postal codes in Ontario. Yikes!
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/134 "2021-04-18T03:54:35Z")
> [@peccavi](#):
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> One could posit that the population most vulnerable to severe illness and death has dropped drastically due to vaccination, but the general relaxation in the general population due to the well publicized vaccination numbers may be producing more infections in total.
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> An interesting piece of data would be the demographics (with respect to vulnerability) of the new cases. I’m not sure that is publicly available.
My US state published that data weekly. And yes, the recent increases have been driven by the 20-29 year old cohort, with more modest increases in the other unvaccinated cohorts. Rates among the (mostly vaccinated) old are stable or down.
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### Author:  [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/135 "2021-04-18T14:45:39Z")
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BC and Alberta don’t look great
Saskatchewan looks like it almost made it out of wave 2 but didn’t
Manitoba looks a lot like Ontario 4 weeks back
Ontario is a mess
Quebec is surprisingly decent - relatively speaking
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/136 "2021-04-18T17:11:36Z")
All of my older Canadian friends have gotten a first dose, and are waiting for a second. I don’t know if my friends are just early-adopters, or if Canada has done a decent job of getting vaccine to it’s older citizens.
Hmm, they are mostly in Ontario.
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### Author:  [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/137 "2021-04-18T18:49:39Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> Hmm, they are mostly in Ontario.
Pretty much anyone over 55 in Ontario can get a shot now, either Pfizer/Moderna at a mass clinic or Astra at a pharmacy. They may only be able to get Astra if they are in the 55-59 group. Special groups of 18+, 40+, 50+ - indigenous, high risk, hot spots - can get P/M at a mass clinic, but it’s also location dependant.
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### Author:  [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/138 "2021-04-18T19:43:41Z")
I’m over 55, and have been on the list for a shot for a month. It’s now been scheduled for April 23. We’ll see how that goes.
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### Author:  [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/139 "2021-04-18T20:58:45Z")
Are you waiting for AZ or P/M Sam?
I’m 51 but with asthma and T2 diabetes. I’ll take what I can get as soon as I can get it.
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### Author:  [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)
#### Post date: [April 18, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covid-vaccines-in-canada/934089/140 "2021-04-18T22:12:06Z")
My older Canadian friends are in their 70s.
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