# Covington Catholic High (in case it hasn't been mentioned already) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090 "2019-01-20T02:23:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/501 "2019-01-23T12:59:59Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > Holy shit you people are detached from reality. Nothing remotely like that has ever happened during the Obama nor the Trump administration. Because black kids are taught early that if they pull shit like that, they’ll end up like Tamir Rice. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/502 "2019-01-23T13:06:39Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [At the Ferguson, MO protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest#/media/File:Sharpshooter_facing_camera.jpg). > > Shots weren’t actually fired, sure, but black people protesting sometimes encounter a smidge of an overreaction from law enforcement. So, black people rioted and burned down a building\*, and didn’t get shot, but you’re arguing they _would_ get shot en masse for standing still, smirking, and possibly mocking someone’s singing? \*Incidentally, those riots were also driven by a story the media promoted for purposes of race-baiting, that turned out to be false. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/503 "2019-01-23T13:21:20Z")
> [@ElderSign](#): > > “the tweeter was able to sway the opinions of many people with just one tweet. It’s the latest example of social media’s glaring problem: snap judgments, without full context, spread by people who themselves could be trying to deceive or sway opinions.” This is an important point to just about everything that has happened in the last few years. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/504 "2019-01-23T15:20:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > chanting in a foreign language, is not the best form of communication. What was the old man trying to say? Was Timmy stuck in a well? Maybe an unknown language, but not a foreign language. In this context, English is the foreign language. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/505 "2019-01-23T15:47:54Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [At the Ferguson, MO protests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest#/media/File:Sharpshooter_facing_camera.jpg). > > Shots weren’t actually fired, sure, but black people protesting sometimes encounter a smidge of an overreaction from law enforcement. I am not sure about the “no shots fired” part. > [@](#): > > On August 11, police fired tear gas to disperse a crowd at the burnt shell of the QuikTrip[33] convenience store, set on fire by looters the night before. According to reports, gunshots were fired in Ferguson and five people were arrested. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest). The allegations of over-reaction are also bogus - > [@](#): > > On August 10, a day of memorials began peacefully, but some people became outspoken after an evening candlelight vigil.[29] Local police stations assembled approximately 150 officers in riot gear.[30] Some people began looting businesses, vandalizing vehicles, and confronting police officers who sought to block off access to several areas of the city.[29] At least 12 businesses were looted or vandalized and a QuikTrip convenience store and gas station was set on fire, as well as a Little Ceasars The Quiktrip looting was captured on video by activist Umar Lee [31] leading to over 30 arrests. Many windows were broken and several nearby businesses closed on Monday.[32] The people arrested face charges of assault, burglary, and theft. Police used a variety of equipment, including riot gear and helicopters, to disperse the crowd by 2:00 a.m.[33] Two police officers suffered minor injuries during the events.[34] Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/506 "2019-01-23T17:59:03Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > How much of the longer videos (i’ve seen two from different cameras, each over an hour long) did you watch? I think if you watch from when you first hear Phillips’ drumming that you will note the school crowd is mostly stationary, Phillips is walking mostly parallel to them, gets close in front of one student, then moves to the next in line, Smirky McSmirkface, and stays in front of him. > > And if I understand Phillips in interviews later, if he is trying to calm the situation, he should want to stay in between the groups, not move through the students to the other side. > > The crowd surrounded him after Phillips stopped, apparently to get good camera shots or just to see. > > I don’t get why someone is in the wrong for standing where they are. I especially don’t understand the virulence. I don’t know where people get the idea that Phillips wanted to go through the kids to some other place and they didn’t let him pass, he deliberately went to them to face them off: [One of Phillips’ associates, another Native American man, is standing near Sandmann, and enters an argument with a different MAGA-hat-wearing teenager (start watching at 6:55). The Native American man says, “Go back to Europe where you came from. This is not your land, you have been here two, three generations compared to us. We’ve been here a million fucking years.” The MAGA teen responds, “That’s not true. Let’s go all the way back to Africa,” and proceeds to tell the story of the land bridge that once connected Asia to North America, which allowed humans to settle these lands some thousands of years ago. (His opponent counters that this a “bullshit theory.”)](https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/22/nick-sandmann-covington-catholic-racism) Phillips referred to the kids as beasts and the men who where hurling racist, homophobic slurs at them as the prey and he stepped in to protect the prey. The way the situation was initially framed, that the kids descended upon Phillips was baloney; but that baloney was swallowed hook line and sinker because it fitted just perfectly some people’s prejudices and predispositions.To make things worse that initial reporting that was based on a suspected Twitter account that has been suspended: The Twitter account posted the infamous clip of the kid smiling with the caption “This MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American protester at the Indigenous Peoples March.” [Twitter suspends account that helped ignite controversy over viral encounter "the account posted a minute-long video showing the now-iconic confrontation between a Native American elder and the high school students, with the caption, “This MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American protester at the Indigenous Peoples March.” “The video had been posted earlier on Instagram by someone who was at the event, but it was @2020fight’s caption that helped frame the news cycle.” “… @2020fight video was the main version of the incident being shared on social media.” "In one indicator of the @2020fight’s video’s virality, multiple newsrooms, including some national American outlets, reached out to the user asking them directly about the video. " “The account claimed to belong to a California schoolteacher. Its profile photo was not of a schoolteacher, but of a blogger based in Brazil, CNN Business found. Twitter suspended the account soon after CNN Business asked about it.” "Twitter told CNN Business, “Deliberate attempts to manipulate the public conversation on Twitter by using misleading account information is a violation of the Twitter Rules.”]([https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/tech/twitter-suspends-account-native-american-maga-teens/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/21/tech/twitter-suspends-account-native-american-maga-teens/index.html)) Fancy that, an apparently fake Twitter account pushed a video that was practically (perhaps actually) tailored to make the US Left see red and go on a blind rage against kids. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if sooner or later it all gets blamed on Russian Bots by those who were reeled in. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/507 "2019-01-23T18:48:06Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Maybe an unknown language, but not a foreign language. In this context, English is the foreign language. > > That is all. That’s real clever and all but unless this guy’s tribe comes from the Washington area, which it doesn’t, his language is just as foreign. You see, native Americans weren’t one big nation when Europeans arrived. They had different nations, alliances and languages. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/508 "2019-01-23T19:00:06Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > Am I the only one who is starting to get annoyed about how much media coverage this incident is getting? No one was killed, no one was injured in anyway(well except for some bruised egos). This country is facing numerous problems that actually could have serious consequences; yet the news networks decide to have political analysts spend hours of their time debating the actions of a few individuals. The harshest fights in politics always seem to erupt when the stakes are lowest. Americans are united in war, and can work together in depressions, but when it comes to a kid in a baseball cap caught with the wrong kind of smile, the knives come out. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/509 "2019-01-23T19:02:54Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Maybe an unknown language, but not a foreign language. In this context, English is the foreign language. > > That is all. Was whatever tribe that man was a member of native to the DC area? You realize that the hemisphere was not homogeneously settled by one tribe through the beginning of time? Darn point ninja’ed above. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/510 "2019-01-23T19:08:52Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > So, black people rioted and burned down a building\*, and didn’t get shot, but you’re arguing they _would_ get shot en masse for standing still, smirking, and possibly mocking someone’s singing? > > \*Incidentally, those riots were also driven by a story the media promoted for purposes of race-baiting, that turned out to be false. Oh! This is fun! I get to use a new jutsu. And, why the fuck not, not like you hoes can read what’s written anyway. Let me see if I got the hand signs correct: Boar → Dog → Bird → Tiger. Yep. That’s it. Let me kneel down and put palm to the ground … Kuchiyose Aian Meiden > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > Ferguson’s law enforcement practices are shaped by the City’s focus on revenue rather than by public safety needs. This emphasis on revenue has compromised the institutional character of Ferguson’s police department, contributing to a pattern of u and has also shaped its municipal court, leading to procedures that raise due process concerns and inflict unnecessary harm on members of the Ferguson community. Further, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices both reflect and exacerbate existing racial bias, including racial stereotypes. Ferguson’s own data establish clear racial disparities that adversely impact African Americans. The evidence shows that discriminatory intent is part of the reason for these disparities. Over time, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices have sown deep mistrust between parts of the community and the police department, undermining law enforcement legitimacy among African Americans in particular. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > Our investigation indicates that this disproportionate burden on African Americans > cannot be explained by any difference in the rate at which people of different races violate the law. Rather, our investigation has revealed that these disparities occur, at least in part, because of unlawful bias against and stereotypes about African Americans. We have found substantial evidence of racial bias among police and court staff in Ferguson.\*\* For example, we discovered emails circulated by police supervisors and court staff that stereotype racial minorities as criminals, including one email that joked about an abortion by an African-American woman being a means of crime control. \*\* > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > Our investigation has shown that distrust of the Ferguson Police Department is longstanding and largely attributable to Ferguson’s approach to law enforcement. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > Our investigation indicates that this disproportionate burden on African Americans cannot be explained by any difference in the rate at which people of different races violate the law. Rather, our investigation has revealed that these disparities occur, at least in part, because of unlawful bias against and stereotypes about African Americans. We have found substantial evidence of racial bias among police and court staff in Ferguson. For example, we discovered emails circulated by police supervisors and court staff that stereotype racial minorities as criminals, including one email that joked about an abortion by an African-American woman being a means of crime control. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > The City budgets for sizeable increases in municipal fines and fees each year, exhorts > police and court staff to deliver those revenue increases, and closely monitors whether those increases are achieved. City officials routinely urge Chief Jackson to generate more revenue through enforcement. In March 2010, for instance, the City Finance Director wrote to Chief Jackson that “unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections next year. . . . Given that we are looking at a substantial sales tax shortfall, it’s not an insignificant issue.” > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > The Council member then addressed the concern that “switching judges would/could lead to loss of revenue,” arguing that even if such a switch did “lead to a slight loss, I think it’s more important that cases are being handled properly and fairly.” The City Manager acknowledged mixed reviews of Judge Brockmeyer’s work but urged that the Judge be reappointed, noting that “… **it goes without saying the City cannot afford to lose any efficiency in our Courts, nor experience any decrease in our Fines and Forfeitures**.” > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > African Americans are 68% less likely than others to have their cases dismissed by the court, and are more likely to have their cases last longer and result in more required court encounters. African Americans are at least 50% more likely to have their cases lead to an arrest warrant, and accounted for 92% of cases in which an arrest warrant was issued by the Ferguson Municipal Court in 2013. Available data show that, of those actually arrested by FPD only because of an outstanding municipal warrant, 96% are African American. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > In 2013 alone, the court issued over 9,000 warrants on cases stemming in large part from minor violations such as parking infractions, traffic tickets, or housing code violations. Jail time would be considered far too harsh a penalty for the great majority of these code violations, yet Fergubiteson’s municipal court routinely issues warrants for people to be arrested and incarcerated for failing to timely pay related fines and fees. Under state law, a failure to appear in municipal court on a traffic charge involving a moving violation results in a license suspension. Ferguson has made this penalty more onerous by only allowing the suspension to be lifted after payment of an owed fine is made in full. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > Even as Ferguson City officials maintain the harmful stereotype that black individuals lack personal responsibility—and continue to cite this lack of personal responsibility as the cause of the disparate impact of Ferguson’s practices— white City officials condone a striking lack of personal responsibility among themselves and their friends. Court records and emails show City officials, including the Municipal Judge, the Court Clerk, and FPD supervisors assisting friends, colleagues, acquaintances, and themselves in eliminating citations, fines, and fees. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > In the summer of 2012, a 32-year-old African-American man sat in his car cooling off after playing basketball in a Ferguson public park. An officer pulled up behind the man’s car… and demanded the man’s Social Security number and identification. Without any cause, the officer accused the man of being a pedophile, referring to the presence of children in the park, and ordered the man out of his car for a pat-down, although the officer had no reason to believe the man was armed. The officer also asked to search the man’s car. > > The man objected, citing his constitutional rights. In response, the officer arrested the man, reportedly at gunpoint, charging him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code. One charge, Making a False Declaration, was for initially providing the short form of his first name (e.g., “Mike” instead of “Michael”), and an address which, although legitimate, was different from the one on his driver’s license. Another charge was for not wearing a seat belt, even though he was seated in a parked car. The officer also charged the man both with having an expired operator’s license, and with having no operator’s license in his possession. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > …a woman called FPD to report a domestic disturbance. By the time the police arrived, the woman’s boyfriend had left. The police looked through the house and saw indications that the boyfriend lived there. When the woman told police that only she and her brother were listed on the home’s occupancy permit, the officer placed the woman under arrest for the permit violation and she was jailed. In another instance, after a woman called police to report a domestic disturbance and was given a summons for an occupancy permit violation, she said, according to the officer’s report, that she “hated the Ferguson Police Department and will never call again, even if she is being killed.” > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > Information provided by the City reveals a haphazard bond system that results in people being erroneously arrested, and some people paying bond but not getting credit for having done so. Documents describe officers finding hundred dollar bills in their pockets that were given to them for bond payment and not remembering which jail detainee provided them; bond paperwork being found on the floor; and individuals being arrested after their bonds had been accepted because the corresponding warrants were never cancelled. At one point in 2012, Ferguson’s Court Clerk called such issues a “daily problem.” > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > In the summer of 2012, a 32-year-old African-American man sat in his car cooling off after playing basketball in a Ferguson public park. An officer pulled up behind the man’s car… and demanded the man’s Social Security number and identification. Without any cause, the officer accused the man of being a pedophile, referring to the presence of children in the park, and ordered the man out of his car for a pat-down, although the officer had no reason to believe the man was armed. The officer also asked to search the man’s car. > > The man objected, citing his constitutional rights.\*\* In response, the officer arrested the man, reportedly at gunpoint, charging him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code. One charge, Making a False Declaration, was for initially providing the short form of his first name (e.g., “Mike” instead of “Michael”), and an address which, although legitimate, was different from the one on his driver’s license. Another charge was for not wearing a seat belt, even though he was seated in a parked car. The officer also charged the man both with having an expired operator’s license, and with having no operator’s license in his possession\*\*. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > a young African-American man was shot while walking on the road with three friends. The police department located and interviewed two of the friends about the shooting. After the interview, they arrested and jailed one of these cooperating witnesses, who was 19 years old, on an outstanding municipal warrant. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > It is often difficult for an individual who receives a municipal citation or summons in Ferguson to know how much is owed, where and how to pay the ticket, what the options for payment are, what rights the individual has, and what the consequences are for various actions or oversights. The initial information provided to people who are cited for violating Ferguson’s municipal code is often incomplete or inconsistent. Communication with municipal court defendants is haphazard and known by the court to be unreliable. And the court’s procedures and operations are ambiguous, are not written down, and are not transparent or even available to the public on the court’s website or elsewhere… > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > … with respect to speeding charges brought by FPD, the evidence shows not only that African Americans are represented at disproportionately high rates overall, but also that the disparate impact of FPD’s enforcement practices on African Americans is 48% larger when citations are issued not on the basis of radar or laser, but by some other method, such as the officer’s own visual assessment. > > These disparities are also present in FPD’s use of force. Nearly 90% of documented force used by FPD officers was used against African Americans. In every canine bite incident for which racial information is available, the person bitten was African American. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > … in August 2010, a lieutenant used an ECW in drive-stun mode against an African-American woman in the Ferguson City Jail because she had refused to remove her bracelets. The lieutenant resorted to his ECW even though there were five officers present and the woman posed no physical threat. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > In September 2012, an officer drive-stunned an African-American woman who he had placed in the back of his patrol car but who had stretched out her leg to block him from closing the door. The woman was in handcuffs. In May 2013, officers drive-stunned a handcuffed African-American man who verbally refused to get out of the back seat of a police car once it had arrived at the jail. The man did not physically resist arrest or attempt to assault the officers. > > According to the man, he was also punched in the face and head. That allegation was neither reported by the involved officers nor investigated by their supervisor, who dismissed it. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > in June 2014, an African-American couple who had taken their children to play at the park allowed their small children to urinate in the bushes next to their parked car. An officer stopped them, threatened to cite them for allowing the children to “expose themselves,” and checked the father for warrants. > > When the mother asked if the officer had to detain the father in front of the children, the officer turned to the father and said, “you’re going to jail because your wife keeps running her mouth.” The mother then began recording the officer on her cell phone. The officer became irate, declaring, “you don’t videotape me!” As the officer drove away with the father in custody for “parental neglect,” the mother drove after them, continuing to record. The officer then pulled over and arrested her for traffic violations. When the father asked the officer to show mercy, he responded, “no more mercy, since she wanted to videotape,” and declared “nobody videotapes me.” The officer then took the phone, which the couple’s daughter was holding. After posting bond, the couple found that the video had been deleted. > [@United States Department of Justice](#): > > In still another case, a lieutenant of a neighboring agency called FPD to report that a pizza parlor owner had complained to him that an off-duty FPD officer had become angry upon being told that police discounts were only given to officers in uniform and said to the restaurant owner as he was leaving, “I hope you get robbed!” The allegation was not considered a complaint and instead, despite its seriousness, was handled through counseling at the squad level. If you’d like me to continue on, let me know, I’d be happy to be oblige. What is quoted here is just the tip of the iceberg of a 105 page report. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/511 "2019-01-23T19:22:32Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The harshest fights in politics always seem to erupt when the stakes are lowest. Americans are united in war, and can work together in depressions, but when it comes to a kid in a baseball cap caught with the wrong kind of smile, the knives come out. If you wear a symbol of hate, expect to be hated. Period. Why don’t you roam around the Bronx or West Philadelphia wearing that fucking cap. Shit, try that shit in St. Louis and you’d get stomped. You monsters know what you’re doing, you’re just hiding your racism under the thin veneer of political affiliation. It’s disgusting. You white folks have set back race relations 60 - 100 years. And, far as I’m concerned: good. It shuts the fucking white liberals who have been feeding us lies like “Oh! Racist white people are the minority - [10% tops](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/more_americans_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics)!” Bullshit. Half of white people are racist as shit - _at least_. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/512 "2019-01-23T19:23:25Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > And if I understand Phillips in interviews later, if he is trying to calm the situation, he should want to stay in between the groups, not move through the students to the other side. > > The crowd surrounded him after Phillips stopped, apparently to get good camera shots or just to see. > > I don’t get why someone is in the wrong for standing where they are. I especially don’t understand the virulence. Nothing about Nathan Phillip’s behaviour suggests that he was trying to protect the kids. What it looked like to me was that he saw that kid smirking in a Maga hat, and decided to get up in his face about it and provoke him into a reaction the cameras could capture. The kid didn’t take the bait. And I don’t give a rat’s ass what he says he was doing, because the man is a liar. He also originally said that the kids went over to where his group was and surrounded and threatened them - only changing his story when a video surfaced which disproved it. He is a long time left-wing activist who has made a career out of these kinds of confrontations. Oh, and he’s not a Vietnam Vet. Another ‘fact’ too good for the media to bother checking. Out of everyone involved in this sorry mess, the Covington Catholic kids come out looking the best. They were confronted by racist assholes, and kept their composure remarkably well for a group of 12-17 year olds. When one of the racists calls a kid a ‘faggot’, a kid from the school can he heard responding, ‘What’s wrong with that?’ When a black kid in the school was told that the others would kill him and harvest his organs, the other kids hugged him and said, ‘You know we love you’. In the meantime, Nathan Phillips has his 15 minutes of fame and is doing the interview rounds, suggesting that the kids he was supposedly ‘protecting’ should maybe be expelled from school. > [@Nathan Phillips](#): > > At first I wanted the teachers and chaperones to be reprimanded, some fired, for letting this happen,” he said. “For the students, I was against any expulsions, but now I have to revisit that.” > > He stole my narrative. From the time I hit that first beat of the drum until I hit the last beat, I was in prayer. Now all of a sudden, he’s the prayer guy and the passive one.” So really it’s all about attention. He had his ‘narrative’ stolen, so he wants people’s careers destroyed and children expelled from school. He’s a real saint. He’s trying make himself out to be a victim, because that’s all he knows how to do. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/513 "2019-01-23T19:27:48Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > If you’d like me to continue on, let me know, I’d be happy to be oblige. What is quoted here is just the tip of the iceberg of a 105 page report. None of your quotes have anything to do with the post I was replying to, which asserted that black kids could be shot who did what the MAGA teens did: standing doing nothing at a political protest in broad daylight and smirking at someone. And he claimed he was **certain** this would happen, not just _possible_, meaning he thinks that police in America are mass-killing every group of black political protestors. This is absurd to the point of delusion. That fact that black people are discriminated against and occasionally shot under different circumstances is irrelevant to my post or the one I was replying to. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/514 "2019-01-23T19:30:32Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > If you wear a symbol of hate, expect to be hated. Period. Why don’t you roam around the Bronx or West Philadelphia wearing that fucking cap. Shit, try that shit in St. Louis and you’d get stomped. Would you say the same thing about a kid beaten up for wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt in Miami? Or a Mao cap? Would you be okay if someone got attacked at a march for carrying a sign with a hammer and sickle on it? Or is only one side’s hateful imagery worthy of attack? > [@](#): > > You monsters know what you’re doing, you’re just hiding your racism under the thin veneer of political affiliation. It’s disgusting. You white folks have set back race relations 60 - 100 years. And, far as I’m concerned: good. It shuts the fucking white liberals who have been feeding us lies like “Oh! Racist white people are the minority - [10% tops](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/more_americans_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics)!” Bullshit. Half of white people are racist as shit - _at least_. Wow. I have rarely seen a racist screed dolled up as an attack on racism quite so blatantly. You should be ashamed of yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/515 "2019-01-23T19:44:09Z")
> [@thirdname](#): > > None of your quotes have anything to do with the post I was replying to, which asserted that black kids could be shot who did what the MAGA teens did: standing doing nothing at a political protest in broad daylight and smirking at someone. And he claimed he was **certain** this would happen, not just _possible_, meaning he thinks that police in America are mass-killing every group of black political protestors. This is absurd to the point of delusion. That fact that black people are discriminated against and occasionally shot under different circumstances is irrelevant to my post or the one I was replying to. Lord Jesus, give me strength to not rebuke this hoe outright. Let me spell it out for you. I will only do this once because, as evidenced on this forum, you hoes are unable to read. You wrote, in part, that “black people rioted and burned down a building”. You added “… \*ncidentally, those riots were also driven by a story the media promoted for purposes of race-baiting, that turned out to be false.”. Now, I want you to stop and confirm these are indeed your words. I’ll wait. Got it? Good. The point with the Justice Department report was to highlight that the Michael Brown incident **did not occur in a vacuum**. It occurred in front of the backdrop of the Ferguson Police Department engaging in a history of police brutality, excessive bail and fines, and government-sanctioned racism against people of color. The record bears this out. Just as white supremacists likeyourself are quick to point out the extenuating circumstances for the MAGA-hat children’s behavior. I am also pointing extenuating circumstances with the Michael Brown incident that you appear to be mocking. If you still don’t understand, fuck it, I’m not going to re-explain it to you. ---
**Author:** ![Huey\_Freeman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/huey_freeman/32/251_2.png) [@Huey\_Freeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huey_Freeman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/516 "2019-01-23T20:02:35Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Would you say the same thing about a kid beaten up for wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt in Miami? Or a Mao cap? Would you be okay if someone got attacked at a march for carrying a sign with a hammer and sickle on it? Or is only one side’s hateful imagery worthy of attack? > > Wow. I have rarely seen a racist screed dolled up as an attack on racism quite so blatantly. You should be ashamed of yourself. You’re stupid as shit. Depending on when and where that clothing is worn, it might not be safe. If I have a shirt that says “Hitler Rules”, I might get my ass beat if I walk through a Jewish neighborhood Brooklyn. As for my racist screed, as I asked Dory’s friend, Little Nemo, I’d be delighted to hear how anti-white racism (lol) and discrimination has personally impacted your life. I’d really, really, really like to know how you’ve been impacted by anti-white racism (lol). I’ll put my cards down so you can see them: I reject political correctness (although, I was for it until it was clear white folks don’t want no part of it). If white folks don’t want to be political correct (or polite), why the fuck should I? Why should I call your retarded, inbred children “special needs” just to make you feel better? Why shouldn’t I bring up the school shootings, the incest, or the consumption of semen-covered oreos? Should I bite my tongue just to make you feel better (or safer)? Fuck that, shit. You get what you’re given. You hoes overwhelmingly elect the most vile and racist man in the a quarter of a century and have deliberately burned race relations for double that time. What you see is the [hate that hate produced.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hate_That_Hate_Produced) **.Get used to it.** Ya’ll hoes have incinerated race relations in this country and are shocked (shocked!!!) that people of color aren’t as kind and empathetic with ya’ll anymore. Fuck ya’ll. Nice trick in 2008, too. I have to admit, I actually was stupid enough to think that white folks had turned a new page in race relations. We see you for what you are and ya’ll won’t fool people of color again. Best believe that. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/517 "2019-01-23T20:10:15Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Maybe an unknown language, but not a foreign language. In this context, English is the foreign language. > > That is all. Good point. I sit (while typing) corrected. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/518 "2019-01-23T20:39:28Z")
> [@ElderSign](#): > > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/us/lincoln-memorial-rally-video-viral-trnd/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/us/lincoln-memorial-rally-video-viral-trnd/index.html) > > “the tweeter was able to sway the opinions of many people with just one tweet. It’s the latest example of social media’s glaring problem: snap judgments, without full context, spread by people who themselves could be trying to deceive or sway opinions.” Hooray for CNN. That’s the type of reporting that they USED TO be known for. So, according to your linked article, some asshole going by the name of Kaya Taitano posts the original, edited, video with some terse comments of her own. \*Almost four hours later, at 11:13 p.m. Friday, the Twitter account @2020fight reposted Taitano’s video. “This MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American protestor at the Indigenous People’s March,” read the tweet accompanying the video. The internet outrage machine snapped into action and the video quickly gained traction. Social media influencers, celebs and some journalists retweeted it.\* Twitter has removed 2020fight (some account from Brazil), and some social media influencers, celebs and some journalists have backed off on their original jump-to-conclusions conclusion. And it only took how many days for the facts/whole story to be told? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/519 "2019-01-23T20:43:58Z")
actually, nm, the poster has acknowledge his error. Thank you, doorhinge. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/520 "2019-01-23T20:54:32Z")
One key to defusing any situation is good communications. Finding a common language is a good start. One speaks, the other listens. The other speaks, the first listens. And so on. In this situation, no one was communicating in a language that the other understood. What we have is a situation where an old man, and his entourage, targeted a teenager for intimidation. The steps are 100 feet wide, but the old man wanted the two feet of step that the teenager was standing on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090.md?page=27)