# Covington Catholic High (in case it hasn't been mentioned already) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090 "2019-01-20T02:23:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/701 "2019-01-25T19:17:25Z")
By the by, I take for granted that doorhinge has been tripping since 1993. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/702 "2019-01-25T19:26:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > By the by, I take for granted that doorhinge has been tripping since 1993. Must have been some really bad stuff then, because he’s not just making up his own reality and unable to make a coherent point like most people tripping, he’s also a complete asshole about it. But your theory certainly makes more sense than he does. Which is a pretty low bar. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/703 "2019-01-25T19:27:52Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …did he? Did he really? All he did was bang his drum and answer a few interview questions afterwards. What exactly is his “cause?” > The NY Post isn’t “the internet.” Its an news source that has an editorial staff that is capable of making editorial decisions and they chose to publish this story. It was completely within their control. The old man, and his camera crew, were supposed to have been visiting the Lincoln Memorial in order to attend the Indigenous People’s March. That would be his “cause”. To draw attention to the issues championed by the Indigenous People’s March. This isn’t rocket surgery. I’m glad that you understand that the The NY Post isn’t “the internet.” If I bump into anyone who actually said that the The NY Post was “the internet”, I’ll refer them to you for clarification. I’m not sure how much interest that will generate? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/704 "2019-01-25T19:31:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This is a pretty strong rule for posts on this messageboard. (post shortened) Is that a actual rule, a general rule, or simply something you made up in order kill time? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/705 "2019-01-25T19:32:35Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Must have been some really bad stuff then, because he’s not just making up his own reality and unable to make a coherent point like most people tripping, he’s also a complete asshole about it. But your theory certainly makes more sense than he does. Which is a pretty low bar. I figure George W. Bush had a back room filled with celebratory cocaine for his dad’s second inauguration but it was going unused until doorhinge found it and took all of it. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/706 "2019-01-25T19:38:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I figure George W. Bush had a back room filled with celebratory cocaine for his dad’s second inauguration but it was going unused until doorhinge found it and took all of it. Not a user here: is cocaine the one that gives you a false sense of competence? If so, I agree: Cocaine. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/707 "2019-01-25T19:59:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > For what it’s worth (and very little in this thread is worth much of anything), I could picture the kid’s reasonable response being to put his palm on the side of the drum and gently nudge it and the drummer back a few inches, while saying something like “Back off, buddy” or “Do you mind?” If the kid had made that ‘reasonable’ response, it would have been described as a violent attack on a poor native elder. He would have been hateful, disrespectful, and people would have been calling for assault charges. The general level of nuttery over this whole stupid thing would have gone to 12 (it’s already at 11). ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/708 "2019-01-25T19:59:32Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > You have no evidence that proves that the Phillips was “hoping to provoke the kid into throwing the first punch”. You’re just making shit up (as you always do). > > That’s some white shit right here. > > Those unsupervised (which, I’m sure, you can related to) children had the choice to move away or to step aside. They also had the choice to remove their hat or to defuse the situation. They chose not to. > > As another poster said, we have a brain that is wired to read human faces, and that kid was smug, unremorseful, self-righteous, and arrogant. (post shortened) Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. You have no evidence that proves that the teenager was smug, unremorseful, self-righteous, or arrogant. It appears that you’re just making shit up. Appears to be a lot of that going around lately. You also expect those “children” to back down from bullies. Why, because they’re white? The old man, and his entourage, made no attempt to explain to those “children” why they wanted the steps that the “children” were occupying. That shows very poor communications skills. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/709 "2019-01-25T20:07:09Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If the kid had made that ‘reasonable’ response, it would have been described as a violent attack on a poor native elder. He would have been hateful, disrespectful, and people would have been calling for assault charges. The general level of nuttery over this whole stupid thing would have gone to 12 (it’s already at 11). Maybe. So what? Does that make the response any less reasonable, if I can assume you agree that it is. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/710 "2019-01-25T20:22:23Z")
Of course. It also would have been reasonable to say, 'Get your drum out of my face and get out of my personal space." It would also have been a reasonable response to have just turned his back on him. The kid was not the aggressor. If someone got up in my face like that, I probably would not have behaved as passively as that kid did. Especially not after having to spend the previous hour listening to racists scream epithets at me. I probably would have told him to remove that drum from my face or I would remove it for him and put it in a place he wouldn’t like. I’ve never been one to take shit from bullies. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/711 "2019-01-25T20:32:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Of course. It also would have been reasonable to say, 'Get your drum out of my face and get out of my personal space." It would also have been a reasonable response to have just turned his back on him. The kid was not the aggressor. > > If someone got up in my face like that, I probably would not have behaved as passively as that kid did. Especially not after having to spend the previous hour listening to racists scream epithets at me. I probably would have told him to remove that drum from my face or I would remove it for him and put it in a place he wouldn’t like. I’ve never been one to take shit from bullies. Right, and if you were just minding your own business and inconspicuously checking out the Mall, people might understand your reaction. But context is everything, and these teenagers were walking around wearing MAGA hats and were true to MAGA form. Of course we’re missing the obvious: why mess with a lone Native American guy beating a drum when the Black Israelites were the ones who were apparently the real aggressors. It’s funny how he stared down and old man but wanted none of the Black Israelites. Tough guy. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/712 "2019-01-25T20:42:53Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > They were wearing MAGA hats. > > Regards, > Shodan They just fell from the sky, eh? No, they chose to put on MAGA hats, fully aware of the response that they would get. > [@Shodan](#): > > No, the drummer was hoping to provoke the kid into throwing the first punch. Which didn’t happen - the kid and his compatriots didn’t do anything wrong or unjustified. Hence the need for the drummer and his allies to lie and misrepresent and slant the coverage. > > The drummer tried to get something started to have something he could use. That didn’t work, so the various SJWs and their allies in the MSM had to work with what they had. Please cite the readouts from your mind reading machine that corroborate your story. Otherwise, admit that you are making shit up. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Certainly not. All I am saying is that in a highly charged protest situation like this, it is Phillips who crossed a line that it is imperative not to cross. His actions are less defensible than anyone else’s here. No matter how obnoxious or douchey or homophobic anyone else got, they kept their hands to themselves—and that is crucially important. Philips was trying to defuse the situation. Had he not gotten involved, then it is quite likely that there would have been a physical altercation between the CC kids and the BIs. I see no evidence of yours and Shodan’s (wonder why people think you are a right winger with allies like that, eh?) assertion that Philips was trying to provoke something. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If the kid had made that ‘reasonable’ response, it would have been described as a violent attack on a poor native elder. He would have been hateful, disrespectful, and people would have been calling for assault charges. The general level of nuttery over this whole stupid thing would have gone to 12 (it’s already at 11). Ah, using the negative reaction that you would have to a hypothetical to discredit the hypo. No, if he had done what Bryan described, then there would have been no such response as you imagine. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Of course. It also would have been reasonable to say, 'Get your drum out of my face and get out of my personal space." It would also have been a reasonable response to have just turned his back on him. The kid was not the aggressor. Would it have been reasonable for the kid to take two steps to the left or to the right, and allow Philips to pass? > [@](#): > > If someone got up in my face like that, I probably would not have behaved as passively as that kid did. Especially not after having to spend the previous hour listening to racists scream epithets at me. I probably would have told him to remove that drum from my face or I would remove it for him and put it in a place he wouldn’t like. I’ve never been one to take shit from bullies. What I hear you saying is that you would not only respond to speech with violence, but that you would take out your anger caused by one group on another person who happens to be a convenient target for you. I mean, you wouldn’t threaten violence on a bunch of adult black men hurling racial epithets at you, but you would threaten an old man who is playing his drum. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/713 "2019-01-25T20:44:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > No, they chose to put on MAGA hats And MAGA hoodies. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/714 "2019-01-25T20:48:49Z")
The old black guys have every right to stand there and say what they want. Once someone crosses into my personal space and goes nose to nose with me, a line has been crossed. And no, I wouldn’t hit the person for that or anything, but telling him in strong terms to back off is fine. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/715 "2019-01-25T21:12:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Philips was trying to defuse the situation. Had he not gotten involved, then it is quite likely that there would have been a physical altercation between the CC kids and the BIs. > > I see no evidence of yours and Shodan’s (wonder why people think you are a right winger with allies like that, eh?) assertion that Philips was trying to provoke something. > > Would it have been reasonable for the kid to take two steps to the left or to the right, and allow Philips to pass? (post shortened) The old man, and his entourage, did a really poor job of communicating their intentions. Marching up to within inches of their intended victim, pounding drums in his face, shouting in some unintelligible dialect. Only a racist who is trying to justify their later attacks on a group of teenagers, their families, and their school will believe that horseshit. Would it really be considered reasonable to step aside for someone when it clearly looked like the old man was targeting the teenager, and neither the old man, or his entourage, had made their intentions clear? The old man, and his entourage, had plenty of room to walk around the teenager, or follow the teenager wherever he went. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/716 "2019-01-25T21:15:17Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > And MAGA hoodies. 🙂 And bullies, and racists, chose to target people for wearing clothing they don’t approve of. How progressive of them. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/717 "2019-01-25T21:16:35Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Would it really be considered reasonable to step aside for someone when it clearly looked like the old man was targeting the teenager, and neither the old man, or his entourage, had made their intentions clear? No one else had any problem moving aside to let him through, just this one little asshole, who apparently wasn’t brought up right (which wouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who’s see his awful mother talk). ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/718 "2019-01-25T21:22:19Z")
The only person involved who has been saying that the intent of Phillips was to defuse the situation is… Phillips. You know, the one already caught lying about bunch of children to make them look bad. The one who sauntered right up to a 16 year old and got in his face, for peace I guess. Also, the notion that the kid was ‘blocking’ him is crazy. Those steps are 100 feet wide. There’s also this thing called language - if someone is in your way, your first thiught should be to say, ‘excuse me, I need to get past you’, not to walk up to that person and stare them down while banging a drum in their face. Where I come from, that kind of behaviour is called ‘spoiling for a fight’, and it’s the kind of thing two agressive males do in an altercation, usually right before the pushing starts and fists start flying. There is no way you are going to convince me that Nathan Phillips was anything other than an activist triggered by a MAGA hat, looking for a viral moment he could catch on camera. By the way, that nice peace-maker has called for the kids to be expelled and their teachers tos be fired. Such a kind, loving man. A real peacemaker, he is. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/719 "2019-01-25T21:24:35Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There’s also this thing called language - if someone is in your way, your first thiught should be to say, 'excuse me, I need to get past you And he should have done it without interrupting the prayer he was chanting. Through magic. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/720 "2019-01-25T21:35:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > And bullies, and racists, chose to target people for wearing clothing they don’t approve of. How progressive of them. There was a day when wearing a Che Guevera T-Shirt in certain parts of Miami could get you a beat-down. And the left of the time reacted in horror to the idea, because clothing you chose to wear was speech and everyone had a right to be offensive. Even though Miami was full of people who had to flee that murderous bastard, people still had a right to parade around wearing Che’s image. And I actually agreed. I can even remember when the left supported Illinois Nazis right to march, because back then the left actually cared about things like individual autonomy and the right to be offensive and let your freak flag fly. Apparently, those days are gone. A Maga hat is now hate speech, and wearing one makes you a target - and reasonably so, apparently. And Trump doesn’t even register on the scale of horror that has Che Guevera, Castro, Chavez and Maduro occupying it. Speaking of that, I see Ocasio Cortez has broken with the Democratic Party (and Canada, and the EU and other latin countries) and taken the side of Maduro, Cuba and Russia in opposing the ouster of Maduro in Venezuela. What a shock. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090.md?page=37)