# Covington Catholic High (in case it hasn't been mentioned already) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 20, 2019, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090 "2019-01-20T02:23:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/741 "2019-01-26T01:17:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Can’t figure out if this was deliberate :). :smack: (In my defense, I’ve had maybe about 3 hours of sleep in the last 24 hours, as I’ve been dealing with sciatica for about a month now and it’s gotten particularly bad lately) So yes that should be “Have you stopped beating your WIFE, yet?” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/742 "2019-01-26T01:22:10Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Why the fuck is this even news? Weird shit happened in the city. Weird shit always happens in the city. Weird shit happened to me last night in the city. So what? No one was hurt, nothing lasting happened, just three groups of idiots collided. That’s it. > > I mean I know the answer. It’s because of social media, everyone carrying cameras/video recorders, and the fact that political symbols always cause people to start rabbling. But it’s depressing as hell to see people so obsessed with this nothingburger. Cosigned. But as long as everyone is still het up about this, I’ll continue to play: > [@Hamlet](#): > > Let’s be perfectly clear here. Your “physical” is the minuscule, inadvertent brushing of a padded winter coat that may not have happened, was likely never even felt at all, and never actually was raised by any party as an issue. And you, once again, completely ignore the actions of the group of kids surrounding Mr. Phillips, who are openly mocking him and his culture. Just so we are crystal clear on where you’re coming from. I don’t agree with your characterization of the physical side of it. What you are calling the “actions” of the kids is their protected right to free speech and expression. By saying so, I’m not endorsing their speech and expression any more than the ACLU was endorsing the speech and expression of the Nazis who were being blocked from marching in Skokie. Is this really that hard to understand? And did you somehow miss the several times I called those boys “douchey”, “arrogant”, “horrifying”, etc.? Seriously, you act like those parts of my posts are invisible. I know it’s more comfortable for you to joust with idealized right wing blowhard strawman, but sometimes you have to step out of your comfort zone and confront reality. :dubious: Let me also note FTR that my grandmother grew up on the Omaha reservation, and my mother’s first cousin (so my first cousin once removed) was for years part of a prominent Native American dance troupe. So I’m not inclined to “other” Philips, as you seem to assume. But just as I will always stand up for the right to free speech and expression even for those whose speech I find heinous, I will always stand up against those who cross the line from speech to physical aggression and incitement, even if they are “on my side” in general. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/743 "2019-01-26T02:19:24Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I don’t agree with your characterization of the physical side of it. Feel free to disagree. But the fact remains that the contact, if any, was so inoffensive to have gone completely unremarked upon by anyone involved. Seriously, your position on this comes across as someone trying so very, very hard to draw a line that simply doesn’t exist here in reality. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > What you are calling the “actions” of the kids is their protected right to free speech and expression. Absolutely. The kids were free to mock Mr. Phillips in whatever racist way they found best suited them. And they did. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > And did you somehow miss the several times I called those boys “douchey”, “arrogant”, “horrifying”, etc.? Nope, didn’t miss it. If you throw in the word “racistly douchey”, or “horrifying racist”, I’d be fine. But you also seem completely at ease dismissing their actions in surrounding Mr. Phillips and attempting to humiliate him instead focusing on some kind of inadvertent contact that didn’t even merit comment by anyone actually involved. Which is, as we’ve ascertained, is your protected free speech right. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Let me also note FTR that my grandmother grew up on the Omaha reservation, and my mother’s first cousin (so my first cousin once removed) was for years part of a prominent Native American dance troupe. So I’m not inclined to “other” Philips, as you seem to assume. But just as I will always stand up for the right to free speech and expression even for those whose speech I find heinous, I will always stand up against those who cross the line from speech to physical aggression and incitement, even if they are “on my side” in general. This is the first time I think I’ve dealt with you in any extensive way. I will tell you that with every post you make, you sound more and more like a troll. Whether it is your focus on an immaterial, possible physical contact that has never been an issue to anyone involved, your focus on this non-issue while ignoring the multitude of other, more heinous offenses, or your playing of the “my grandmother was an indigenous person” card, I’m quickly reaching the point of writing you off completely. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/744 "2019-01-26T02:37:27Z")
The House Intelligence Committee and Sen Warner (ranking D on the Senate Intelligence Committee) are both asking Twitter for information on the account posted the video clip to start the fracas. The account has since been deleted by Twitter. [Congress Now Wants Twitter to Explain How That Covington Teens Video Went Viral](https://gizmodo.com/congress-now-wants-twitter-to-explain-how-that-covingto-1831971692) We haven’t heard the last of this. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/745 "2019-01-26T02:50:21Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The only person involved who has been saying that the intent of Phillips was to defuse the situation is… Phillips. You know, the one already caught lying about bunch of children to make them look bad. The one who sauntered right up to a 16 year old and got in his face, for peace I guess. Also, the notion that the kid was ‘blocking’ him is crazy. Those steps are 100 feet wide. There’s also this thing called language - if someone is in your way, your first thiught should be to say, ‘excuse me, I need to get past you’, not to walk up to that person and stare them down while banging a drum in their face. > > Where I come from, that kind of behaviour is called ‘spoiling for a fight’, and it’s the kind of thing two agressive males do in an altercation, usually right before the pushing starts and fists start flying. There is no way you are going to convince me that Nathan Phillips was anything other than an activist triggered by a MAGA hat, looking for a viral moment he could catch on camera. Oh whatever, keyboard warrior. Yeah, where you come from, the only way you’ll confront black men is if you’re carrying concealed firearms. In DC, where that’s illegal? White guys pick fights with…the 65 year old skinny Native American. We get it. Shut the fuck up already. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/746 "2019-01-26T03:05:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Yes, if you wear a MAGA hat there’s apparently a minuscule chance that an elderly man might beat a drum in your vicinity. This is definitely something you should fly into hysterics about. And if you wear that hat with an unapproved facial expression you might have unhinged leftist loons advocating your murder. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/747 "2019-01-26T03:07:01Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh whatever, keyboard warrior. > > Yeah, where you come from, the only way you’ll confront black men is if you’re carrying concealed firearms. In DC, where that’s illegal? White guys pick fights with…the 65 year old skinny Native American. We get it. Shut the fuck up already. Aren’t you the nut who was talking tough about what _you’d_ do if someone wore a scary hat near you? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/748 "2019-01-26T03:45:14Z")
Hamlet, the physical contact was the ONLY “offense” committed by anyone involved here. A minor offense indeed, but still the only one. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/749 "2019-01-26T03:51:32Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And if you wear that hat with an unapproved facial expression you might have unhinged leftist loons advocating your murder. [Nutpicking](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking) does not make an argument. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/750 "2019-01-26T03:59:41Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Hamlet, the physical contact was the ONLY “offense” committed by anyone involved here. A minor offense indeed, but still the only one. “Offense”? Now you want to delve into the legalities of what occurred? It’ll be a huge mess, but if that’s where you’re planting your flag, we can do that. Tomorrow, though. ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/751 "2019-01-26T04:55:14Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Oh whatever, keyboard warrior. > > Yeah, where you come from, the only way you’ll confront black men is if you’re carrying concealed firearms. In DC, where that’s illegal? White guys pick fights with…the 65 year old skinny Native American. We get it. Shut the fuck up already. Says the guy who [demands](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21428787&postcount=157) “capitulation and obedience” from women on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/752 "2019-01-26T05:10:09Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Had it been just that one kid, absolutely. The reason it made the news was that that one kid was surrounded by a bunch of other privileged, white kids who were mocking the indigenous people and their drum playing. You, Sam, doorhinge, and everyone else seem to completely avoid the fact that the encounter took place when both Phillips and the kid were surrounded by other teens who were chanting, dancing, and doing tomahawk chops making a complete mockery of his actions and culture. In response, Phillips got a tiny bit closer to one of the kids, and continued playing his drum. That’s it. In the face of all that racist mockery, he played his drum a little too close to a kid. And, for that, the right wing hate machine comes full bore on the guy, calling him a bully when he’s literally surrounded by dozens of white kids mocking him and his culture. And you know that they were mocking him how? They had just been chanting and bouncing up and down to drown out the racist tirades from the Black Israelites, in comes Phillips and his retinue drumming and chanting and you just KNOW that the reaction was not that they saw someone joining them in their chanting. [That’s how it looks to me based on the video](https://vimeo.com/312330750), Phillips comes in and some kids who had been breaking into chanting, clapping and bouncing whenever someone among them gave a cue, start chanting, clapping and bouncing to the beat of Phillips drum; for all they knew at that moment Phillps came to join them in drowning out the abuse from the BIs, specially in view that those same Native Americans had also been at the receiving end of the BIs slurs. The dancing and shouting in rhythm with the drum seemed to die out pretty soon after Phillips companion, standing right by his shoulder, made clear what they were up to when [shouting at one of the kids “Go back to Europe”, and it was Sandmann that gestured to a fellow student to not get into an argument with that man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq5hZqDCKko), while Phillips bangs a drum next to his face, yet he is the one made to look as if he was seeking confrontation. The cognitive dissonance surrounding this whole thing is astounding. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/753 "2019-01-26T05:17:02Z")
Speaking of cognitive dissonance: > [@asahi](#): > > It’s impossible to have an intelligent social or political discussion in this country anymore. It really and truly is. Your first post in this thread was: > [@asahi](#): > > Not all conservatives are – well, actually, yes they are. They can go to fucking hell. It’s conservative “It’s my white country, and I don’t wanna change” mentality that breads this shit. God help the motherfucker who wears a MAGA hat in my face. > > We don’t need to understand or communicate with these animals; we need to crush them. ---
**Author:** ![Elmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e9a140/32.png) [@Elmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmore)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/754 "2019-01-26T05:20:37Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > Damn, you a snitch. And you’re a racist cunt who hates women and the disabled. > [@](#): > > That’s all you white, cross-burning conservatives do is snitch, equivocate, snitch, equivocate, snitch, followed by more snitching. Don’t worry. The mods here have long made it clear that Black Hebrew Israelites like you aren’t to be held to the same standards of decency as the rest of us. > [@](#): > > First thing, I’m much smarter than you’ll ever be. No you’re not. You’re thick as shit. > [@](#): > > Second, as for “black people” (omg!) - the idea that I’m African-American is _your_ assumption. You posted a picture of your black self in the Living While Black thread, you stupid bastard. > [@](#): > > I will not confirm or deny that piece mainly because I don’t want you hoes to do some white shit like doxxing me or my loved ones or arriving to my family’s home with hoods and tiki torches. You think my knowing you’re black will let people work out where you live? Man, you’re thick as shit. > [@](#): > > Lastly, you’re just a mouthpiece for white supremacy, your presence strengthens my argument that this a white space for white folks to channel their hatred against minorities. The term ‘white supremacist’ means literally nothing when coming from you. Also, if this were a haven for white supremacy (ie. not grovelling and kissing your dick like **asahi** does) you’d have been banned ages ago. > [@](#): > > This forum, in my opinion, is a curious mix between\* NPR’s Fresh Air\* and _Mississippi Burning_. You fit right in here. And you’re a deeply tedious mix of thick as shit and dumb as a bag of hammers. > [@](#): > > ETA: Now that I think about it, I did a write personal account of racism that I experienced with my wife and her whack coworkers. It was implied (but not explicitly stated) that I am African-American. But, in my defense, Little Nemo and the rest of you hoes claimed I was making the story up. Yeah. Your story was unbelievable horse shit and the fact you thought it would fly with anyone in possession of a functioning bullshit detector is just more proof that you’re really fucking stupid. > [@](#): > > Because, you know, people of color are liars, hustlers, and schemers. Nothing that comes our from lips is the truth, just lies. Not people of color. Just you. You lying, thick as shit racist. P.S. - Reported you again, because fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/755 "2019-01-26T05:31:14Z")
I’m still befuddled as to when doing a fake bastardized Maka (a Maori dance) became a school chant let alone a catholic school spirit chant. As in the kid who took off his coat and shirt and :[Covington High viral controversy, moment by moment recall - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmkG17x9qOQ) (1:05 1 minute, 5 seconds later). > **[The Haka | 100% Pure New Zealand](https://www.newzealand.com/sg/feature/haka/)** > > Learn about the traditional Māori haka, the war dance of the Māori people in New Zealand. Haka is a fierce display of a tribe's pride, strength and unity. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/756 "2019-01-26T05:33:35Z")
I mean, really, are Catholics doing this now? : [Original maori haka dance - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI851yJUQQw) Or this? [New Zealand Maori Kapa haka dance - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6RlUYtSnLY) Then they did tomahawk chops, faked along the song and tried to dance along with Mr. Philipps. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/757 "2019-01-26T06:31:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And if you wear that hat with an unapproved facial expression you might have unhinged leftist loons advocating your murder. Considering that we just closed a year where I believe every extremest murder in the United States was committed by right-wingers, I’d much rather get death threats from leftists than from the rightists who have threatened to murder every single person on the other side of the video, which you apparently don’t care about, you pathetic hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/758 "2019-01-26T06:48:50Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Considering that we just closed a year where I believe every extremest murder in the United States was committed by right-wingers, I’d much rather get death threats from leftists than from the rightists who have threatened to murder every single person on the other side of the video, which you apparently don’t care about, you pathetic hypocrite. And here’s a [cite](https://thinkprogress.org/adl-report-far-right-violent-threat-attacks-plots-foiled-8648bf7f758e/): The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) released its annual report on extremism within the United States this week, revealing that individuals linked to or affiliated with the far-right were responsible for nearly every extremist-related murder committed in the United States in 2018. The report notes far-right extremists were responsible for 49 murders in 2018, making it the fourth deadliest year on record for domestic extremism in the United States. What’s perhaps more alarming is that those murders only represent the tip of the iceberg. Eh, only 49 murders last year: Trumpists are slowing down. They could have done better if that one Trump supporter’s bombs had gone off. Who would have guessed that a Trump supporter would be too stupid to make a working bomb? And hey, let me give you your counterargument: Remember that one time that one guy swung a bike lock at someone? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/759 "2019-01-26T11:34:11Z")
This doesn’t include right-wing cops executing people for being black either. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090/760 "2019-01-26T14:10:03Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > :smack: > > (In my defense, I’ve had maybe about 3 hours of sleep in the last 24 hours, as I’ve been dealing with sciatica for about a month now and it’s gotten particularly bad lately) > > So yes that should be “Have you stopped beating your WIFE, yet?” The original kinda made sense, though. Anyway, yikes, and I hope you can get some sleep! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/covington-catholic-high-in-case-it-hasnt-been-mentioned-already/828090.md?page=39)