# Crabtree in 2010 draft **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 7, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687 "2009-08-07T20:45:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/1 "2009-08-07T20:45:31Z")
Granted I think one of the two camps will blink (looking at you 49ers), but since Michael Crabtree made the threat iiiiiiiiiiiit’ssss… Wild Speculation Time! If the ridiculous does happen and Michael Crabtree does pull a Bo Jackson and redrafts in 2010, who will take him and where? My guess is that a WR hungry team like the Cowboys or the Rams will take a flyer on him in the second or early third round. Any guesses? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/2 "2009-08-07T20:50:13Z")
I think it’d play out almost exactly as the Mike Williams situation played out. But, with that instructive case teams would be more cautious and take him near the end of the 1st round as opposed to 10th. Maybe the Bears would draft him 32nd. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/3 "2009-08-07T21:00:31Z")
Can I get some odds, and bet that he doesn’t get drafted because he’s in jail or charged with a felony? I’m cynical like that. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/4 "2009-08-07T21:09:57Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Maybe the Bears would draft him 32nd. This made me chuckle. Nice one! ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/5 "2009-08-07T21:19:04Z")
What about all the other 2009 holdouts? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/6 "2009-08-07T21:28:07Z")
I think the other holdouts will just have to come to terms with the fact that Heywood-Bey ended up the luckiest SOB in this draft class (except for that whole having to play in Oakland thing). ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/7 "2009-08-07T21:33:24Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I think the other holdouts will just have to come to terms with the fact that Heywood-Bey ended up the luckiest SOB in this draft class (except for that whole having to play in Oakland thing). How hilarious would it be if we found out that Al Davis was just being crazy like a fox in signing these absurd contracts and drafting players way out of whack just to sow discontent across the league. I mean between the Asomouga contract and the Heyward-Bey drafting and contract he’s fucked over a bunch of teams accidentally. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/8 "2009-08-07T21:47:08Z")
Let’s get this straight… 1. Michael Crabtree thought he’d be one of top few picks, last May, maybe even #1 overall. 2. Instead, he slid all the way to number 10, before the 49ers took him. 3. The 49ers want to pay him what a #10 pick usually gets, while Crabtree wants the kind of bucks the top three picks usually get. 4. If he rejects the 49ers, he’ll re-enter the draft next year, where he’s SURE to fall quite a bit- MAYBe even out of the first round. 5. Ergo, Crabtree is willing to throw away the salary he’d get this year, and take a much LOWER salary next year??? For his sake, I HOPE he’s bluffing. He’s immensely talented (I’m a Longhorns fan, so sadly, I know this first hand), but he’s never played in a pro style offense and he NEEDS to get to camp pronto. He caught a bad break, but sitting out training camp (let alone the regular season) is a VERY silly move. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/9 "2009-08-07T21:55:04Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Let’s get this straight… > > 1. Michael Crabtree thought he’d be one of top few picks, last May, maybe even #1 overall. > > 2. Instead, he slid all the way to number 10, before the 49ers took him. > > 3. The 49ers want to pay him what a #10 pick usually gets, while Crabtree wants the kind of bucks the top three picks usually get. > > 4. If he rejects the 49ers, he’ll re-enter the draft next year, where he’s SURE to fall quite a bit- MAYBe even out of the first round. > > 5. Ergo, Crabtree is willing to throw away the salary he’d get this year, and take a much LOWER salary next year??? > For his sake, I HOPE he’s bluffing. He’s immensely talented (I’m a Longhorns fan, so sadly, I know this first hand), but he’s never played in a pro style offense and he NEEDS to get to camp pronto. > > He caught a bad break, but sitting out training camp (let alone the regular season) is a VERY silly move. Yeah, he has no leverage. His only leverage is threatening to hold out to milk and extra couple million. I’m guessing the threats are completely hollow, he’s just trying to get some movement out of the 49ers. Everyone knows he’s not getting top 3 money, but if he can get 50% of his deal as opposed to 40% of his deal guaranteed as a result of the threats it’s probably worth doing. I suppose by asking for the farm he’ll get a little movement. If the Niners are playing hardball, they do have some risk though. They can’t afford to get nothing from a 1st round pick. Nor can they afford tohave him hold out too long. Certainly Crabtree making silly threats like this aren’t helping his marketability though. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/10 "2009-08-08T00:38:34Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > He caught a bad break, but sitting out training camp (let alone the regular season) is a VERY silly move. He didn’t catch a bad break. He was actually lucky to be selected 10th. Teams passed for a reason. He isn’t tall, isn’t fast, isn’t healthy. He has a bad reputation for exactly the kind of thing he is doing now. He is falling for his own media hype, which was based on playing in high profile games. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/11 "2009-08-08T01:10:48Z")
> [@Carmady](#): > > He didn’t catch a bad break. He was actually lucky to be selected 10th. Teams passed for a reason. > > He isn’t tall, isn’t fast, isn’t healthy. He has a bad reputation for exactly the kind of thing he is doing now. > > He is falling for his own media hype, which was based on playing in high profile games. Having seen a lot of him, I think much more highly of him than you do… but either way, you’re right. He has a lot to learn and a lot to prove. Throwing a tantrum now is the WORST thing he could do. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/12 "2009-08-08T17:06:17Z")
Can’t anyone in his camp do math? How long would it take to make up for passing on a multi-million dollar contract? He will be tagged a problem and a malcontent and owners would shy away from bringing in a problem. His ego will cost him a lot of money. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/13 "2009-08-08T22:52:39Z")
There is a fair chance he might screw himself badly. There is going to be a new labor contract in 2011. And the only thing both sides agree on is that the rookie pool is going waaaayyyyy down in the new one. So If I’m a GM in 2010, I would be pretty hesitant to commit big money to a rookie for 5 or 6 years, when everything is going to change the next year. Some teams may give real low-ball offers to next year rookies just to keep options open after the new deal. Plus any underclassman with talent will definitely come out next year rather than returning for a lower number, so there will be a big number of players. Plus Upshaw had been talking that they would never accept a salary cap again. I doubt the Union is really that stupid, and I assume it is posturing. But any player coming into the league has got to wonder and plan if there will be a 2011 season at all. All in all he might turn down 10th pick money now for a chance to get no money this year, get much less next year, and possibly make none in 2011. Mr. Cousin-Advisor might be the dumbest man on the planet. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/14 "2009-08-09T03:09:40Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > What about all the other 2009 holdouts? FWIW, my Seahawks just locked up Aaron Curry for 6 years today. $60 million, $34 million guaranteed. Seattle Times says that’s the most guaranteed for a non-QB rookie ever. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/15 "2009-08-09T09:35:23Z")
> [@Cyberhwk](#): > > FWIW, my Seahawks just locked up Aaron Curry for 6 years today. $60 million, $34 million guaranteed. Seattle Times says that’s the most guaranteed for a non-QB rookie ever. I’m so very very drunk, but this still seems like a absurd contract. He is a rookie LB after all. Hell, Roddy White, a proven WR, only signed for 6 years $50M ($18M guaranteed) . The system is BROKEN. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/16 "2009-08-09T13:23:24Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’m so very very drunk, but this still seems like a absurd contract. He is a rookie LB after all. > > Hell, Roddy White, a proven WR, only signed for 6 years $50M ($18M guaranteed) . The system is BROKEN. The system causes built in resistance in locker rooms. If you think the vets are pleased that rookies come in with outrageous contracts while teams play hard ball with the vets, you are kidding yourself. Of course some of them got huge contracts coming in too. But they forget that. It is a strange business where the inexperiences newcomers make the most money. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crabtree-in-2010-draft/505687/17 "2009-08-09T15:24:20Z")
Sign seen at 49ers practice: I’d rather have V.D (#85) than Crabs.