# Creation with intelligence (Adam/Eve/angels/etc) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343 "2014-12-28T06:28:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/41 "2014-12-31T00:17:27Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > According to others, the pronunciation of the Name was always THE great and holy secret of Judaism. I have it on good authority that “YHWH” is supposed to be pronounced “Yahoo Wahoo.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/42 "2014-12-31T13:34:07Z")
BTW if foetuses could also have the ability to speak and react intelligently (like in “Look Who’s Talking” though others can’t hear him) then people would be less likely to have abortions since it would be obvious that the foetus is a person. Matthew 19:14 - **Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."** I guess he would also be including infants and foetuses though (since they’d go to heaven) if they also had the intelligence/language skills of a child it would fit better. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/43 "2014-12-31T13:55:54Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > BTW if foetuses could also have the ability to speak and react intelligently (like in “Look Who’s Talking” though others can’t hear him) then people would be less likely to have abortions since it would be obvious that the foetus is a person. > > Matthew 19:14 - **Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”** > > I guess he would also be including infants and foetuses though (since they’d go to heaven) if they also had the intelligence/language skills of a child it would fit better. And if trees could scream we wouldn’t have lumberjacks. Unless the trees screamed all the time, in which case we would be cutting them down to make them shut up. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/44 "2014-12-31T14:10:16Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > And if trees could scream we wouldn’t have lumberjacks. Unless the trees screamed all the time, in which case we would be cutting them down to make them shut up. Only animals have the breath of life in them (e.g. Genesis 7:15) And apparently originally there was no meat-eating ( [The carnivorous nature and suffering of animals](http://creation.com/the-carnivorous-nature-and-suffering-of-animals) ) ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/45 "2014-12-31T14:36:20Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Only animals have the breath of life in them (e.g. Genesis 7:15) And apparently originally there was no meat-eating ( [The carnivorous nature and suffering of animals](http://creation.com/the-carnivorous-nature-and-suffering-of-animals) ) May I ask, in all seriousness, why you want to believe that you are not an Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian, as your only method of debate seems to be Biblical quotes and other peoples’ interpretation of these quotes? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/46 "2014-12-31T17:52:08Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > BTW if foetuses could also have the ability to speak and react intelligently (like in “Look Who’s Talking” though others can’t hear him) then people would be less likely to have abortions since it would be obvious that the foetus is a person. And if a mosquito could speak and react intelligently, I would be less likely to swat it. But they can’t, and neither can fetuses. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/47 "2014-12-31T22:48:12Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > And if a mosquito could speak and react intelligently, I would be less likely to swat it. . . . I’d rather negotiate with it on the basis of mutual profit. For instance, I’ll fix the skeeters up with donated blood, if they’ll engage in some industrial spying for me… ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/48 "2014-12-31T22:56:56Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I’d rather negotiate with it on the basis of mutual profit. For instance, I’ll fix the skeeters up with donated blood, if they’ll engage in some industrial spying for me… won’t someone think of the moles! ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/49 "2015-01-01T02:53:57Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > And if a mosquito could speak and react intelligently, I would be less likely to swat it. > > But they can’t, and neither can fetuses. I don’t think there is a good reason for fetuses to be “designed” that way. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/50 "2015-01-01T02:57:31Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > May I ask, in all seriousness, why you want to believe that you are not an Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian, as your only method of debate seems to be Biblical quotes and other peoples’ interpretation of these quotes? I think it is possible to talk about what is consistent with the Bible without believing it is literally true in the same way that fans of comics can. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343/51 "2015-01-01T03:02:55Z")
From Three “wise” men find Jesus: > [@Three "wise" men find Jesus](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/three-wise-men-find-jesus/708126/32): > > Given that the OP demonstrates all the theological insight of a manger scene in a store window, I believe the time frame calculation was in rebuttal of the idea that the Magi arrived while Yeshua was still in swaddling clothes. It seems you want me to have a lot of theological insight - and I thought that would be based on Bible quotes… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creation-with-intelligence-adam-eve-angels-etc/708343.md?page=2)