# Creationist Ken Ham calls to end space program because aliens are going to hell anyway **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2014, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704 "2014-07-22T00:35:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/61 "2014-07-22T23:04:30Z")
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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/62 "2014-07-22T23:31:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s also the issue of the Americas. > > Assuming you accept the idea that people need to receive Jesus’ message in order to be saved from Original Sin, then you have to face the fact that God didn’t get the message out to everyone at the same time. People in the Eastern Mediterranean region heard it in the first century. People in the America had to wait almost fifteen centuries before somebody delivered the “good news” to them. Well, not according to the Book of Mormon. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/63 "2014-07-22T23:31:51Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Why then - as in **Locrian** ’s pie-in-the-sky, aliens-land, now-who’s-the-idiot scenario - we all get to point and laugh at Ken Ham. But don’t hold your breath until then. > > As to the aliens being damned. [1 Cor 15:22](http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-22.htm). We can point and laugh even if the ETs are algae attached to a meteor, IMO. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/64 "2014-07-22T23:35:34Z")
Probably against gray marriage too. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/65 "2014-07-22T23:54:48Z")
> [@simster](#): > > it’s all that anal probing, isn’t it? You can’t blame him for being concerned, considering that he is such an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2014, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/66 "2014-07-22T23:55:52Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Probably against gray marriage too. For the win. (I’m so stealing this.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/67 "2014-07-23T00:32:15Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > 1. He laughs at the idea that the nasty atheists think he said that aliens are going to hell. He said he doesn’t believe in aliens in the first place, because “the gospel makes it clear that salvation through Christ is only for the Adamic race—human beings who are all descendants of Adam.” Why would he mention aliens in that context at all then? If they don’t exist, then he doesn’t need to address their potential salvation, but for some reason he does. “You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation.” What about critters then? Dogs and cats certainly exist. So is he saying that when Fluffy and Rover cross the Rainbow Bridge, what they’re going to find on the other side is _ **HELL** _???!!!??? THAT’S gonna go over well over in the Sunday School classrooms… ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/68 "2014-07-23T01:42:13Z")
“In my father’s house are many Martians. If it were not so I would have told you.” John 14:2 KJV (Re-revised) ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/69 "2014-07-23T03:28:24Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I think facts roll off them effortlessly like water droplets off a duck’s back. The ones that don’t have that ability probably tend to become rational skeptics, to some degree, after enough time. Yes. You’ll note there are a few catch-all stock answers to any problem that they don’t have a specific retort to: that all “secular” knowledge is relative anyway, that it’s a matter of how you interpret the data, our minds are fallible, only god knows the truth etc. So uncomfortable new facts or difficult questions are no problem. As for how it must feel to be Ken…well, I guess it’s a nice feeling believing you have a clear mission, to spread an important message. OTOH, if you believe in this nonsense, _really_, then the whole “god-fearing” thing would have to be literal, because a whole lot of what god has done makes no sense, and resulted in human suffering. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/70 "2014-07-23T09:52:47Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Think of it this way: Aliens arrive on our planet, they’re sentient, they even speak English, Spanish, Russian, Italian, Farsi, etc. And here comes this Creo-tard with the story of how the creator of the (then) teeny solar system where the sun revolves around us, our planet is 4,000 years old, children had Pterodactlys as pets, etc. > > Even though the aliens are fluent in many languages, and might even be as dumb as a Spuds Mackenzie commercial, these extra terrestrials-- and I’m guessing most humans at the time-- would look at Ken Hamm like he’s giving free phrenology lessons. Like he’s approaching people who just found out they won the lottery with time-sharing pamphlets in Haiti. He continually changes his story to it the god gaps like you would have to to prove Snuffalupagus is real. Hey, I wanted that to happen years ago. But as much as you wish… Ugh. > [@Locrian](#): > > We can point and laugh even if the ETs are algae attached to a meteor, IMO. 😃 Ah, I see you’re dialling back the expectations a bit. Probably wise… although if you were searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, a smear of algae on a meteor isn’t going to cut it (although I personally would pull up a lawn-chair and watch you argue with it). ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/71 "2014-07-23T13:38:31Z")
> [@](#): > > “You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation,” he explained. “Jesus did not become the ‘GodKlingon’ or the ‘GodMartian’! Only descendants of Adam can be saved. God’s Son remains the ‘Godman’ as our Savior.” Wait a minute! Who are aliens descended from? Did God create another “adam and eve”? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/72 "2014-07-23T13:39:10Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What will he say if they **do** find it, I wonder? Interpret it as a sign of the Apocalypse and get ready to float to Heaven. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/73 "2014-07-23T17:25:33Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > …which actually is even more hilarious. (What a rotten piece of Catch-22 luck for the poor aliens!..the sin of some far-off alien has damned them, but because they’re not that alien’s blood kin, they are unable to receive the benefit that _should_ come from belief in the divinity of _another_ far-off alien!!!) > > But that’s just not pithy enough for a good t-shirt. ☹ Seems like what we need to do is breed with the aliens, so that they become part of our bloodline. What he’s really advocating is bestiality. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/74 "2014-07-23T17:53:28Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Wait a minute! Who are aliens descended from? Did God create another “adam and eve”? God? Are you not paying attention? We were created by god, _only us_. Aliens were obviously created by the prince of darkness bringer of light. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/75 "2014-07-23T18:44:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What will he say if they **do** find it, I wonder? That Satan is deceiving them, of course. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/76 "2014-07-23T19:17:04Z")
“We killed our gods long ago. They were more trouble than they were worth” - Commander Worf ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/77 "2014-07-23T19:35:41Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Interpret it as a sign of the Apocalypse and get ready to float to Heaven. You’ll need a Rapture Roof [![](https://itodyaso.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/9uwwa.jpg?w=600) ](https://itodyaso.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/9uwwa.jpg?w=600) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/78 "2014-07-23T23:09:04Z")
The guy has a Bachelor of Applied Science, with an emphasis in Environmental Biology, at Queensland Institute of Technology. One day he gets religion, opens a ministry and starts raising money. Fairly easy to see through this [scammer.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ham) You never see any of these pricks take a vow of poverty. ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/79 "2014-07-23T23:24:02Z")
> [@andros](#): > > But…what if we could bring the Gospel to them? Please, to be leaving me out of this. I don’t even like leaving SoCal, let alone Earth! ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704/80 "2014-07-24T00:14:08Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What about critters then? Dogs and cats certainly exist. > > So is he saying that when Fluffy and Rover cross the Rainbow Bridge, what they’re going to find on the other side is _ **HELL** _???!!!??? > > THAT’S gonna go over well over in the Sunday School classrooms… A surprising number of fundamentalist Christians hold this view – the only creatures worth saving, in a physical or spiritual sense, are humans (Christian humans, of course). Wonder what they would think of “The Hunt” – the _Twilight Zone_ episode where a man is saved from eternal damnation by his dog. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-ken-ham-calls-to-end-space-program-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell-anyway/693704.md?page=5)