# Creationist Science Test from 4th Grade Science Class **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 22, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421 "2013-04-22T18:49:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/41 "2013-04-26T18:13:37Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So if a Fundie says the Earth is only 6000 years old, it is acceptable to counter with “Were you there?” I think the argument there is that the 6000 years number is calculated using the Bible, which to Fundies is unmitigated proof. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/42 "2013-04-26T18:22:00Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So if a Fundie says the Earth is only 6000 years old, it is acceptable to counter with “Were you there?” > [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > I think the argument there is that the 6000 years number is calculated using the Bible, which to Fundies is unmitigated proof. Substitute “Bible” for “Earth” and “the Word of God” for “only 6000 years old”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/43 "2013-04-26T18:26:27Z")
> [@Tequila\_Party](#): > > What’s less clear is why _the father_ would wait until June to share the details. You’d think he was on board with religious schooling and therefore would be proud of their stance on issues like this. Waiting seems to imply disagreement or at least shame in not wanting them outed for their beliefs. Read the explanation on the Snopes page it sounds like he didn’t know that the school was teaching creationism, and thought it was a good school otherwise, and is planning on removing his daughter from it at after the end of the year. Presumably he is waiting because he doesn’t want his daughter punished for any bad publicity the school gets. ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/44 "2013-04-26T18:30:54Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Presumably he is waiting because he doesn’t want his daughter punished for any bad publicity the school gets. It’s also very disruptive to a child to switch schools mid-year. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/45 "2013-04-26T18:52:25Z")
Less disruptive than spending a year of their lives having religious propaganda crammed into their heads? ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/46 "2013-04-26T19:04:21Z")
The parents sent her to a religious school; I suspect they already expected religious propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/47 "2013-04-26T19:06:56Z")
Off topic. But when I was in the fourth grade (called “class” when I am) I once showed my father my geography school book…and he blew his top. Many years later I found out the reason was that the book showed the map of the USSR. It was published in 1993. Parents…see what your kids are being taught. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/48 "2013-04-26T19:48:01Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Off topic. But when I was in the fourth grade (called “class” when I am) I once showed my father my geography school book…and he blew his top. Many years later I found out the reason was that the book showed the map of the USSR. It was published in 1993. > > Parents…see what your kids are being taught. My 9th grade history teacher told us a map of the Caspian Sea was actually Great Britain. (She was mistaking the water for land.) It took us some time to convince her she was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/49 "2013-04-26T19:55:46Z")
> [@Running\_with\_Scissors](#): > > The parents sent her to a religious school; I suspect they already expected religious propaganda. Not necessarily. Many people send their kids to a religious school because its better than a public school and cheaper than a secular private school. They might have misjudged the amount that religion would influence the curriculum. Obviously they should have checked before hand, but I wouldn’t conclude that everyone who sends their kid to a religious school does so so their kid can learn fundimentalism. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/50 "2013-04-26T20:19:46Z")
I really don’t get all the “wha-a-a-at? Religion is being taught to children as fact?!?” outrage I’ve seen in comments on other sites. What the heck else did they think would be taught at a religious school? ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/51 "2013-04-26T20:23:11Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Not necessarily. Many people send their kids to a religious school because its better than a public school and cheaper than a secular private school. They might have misjudged the amount that religion would influence the curriculum. Obviously they should have checked before hand, but I wouldn’t conclude that everyone who sends their kid to a religious school does so so their kid can learn fundimentalism. If their religion, that they ostensibly believe in, believes in fundamentalism, then obviously it will be taught in their schools. Anyone who sends their child expecting anything else must be an id-- oh, now I’m beginning to understand… ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/52 "2013-04-26T20:27:07Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > I really don’t get all the “wha-a-a-at? Religion is being taught to children as fact?!?” outrage I’ve seen in comments on other sites. What the heck else did they think would be taught at a religious school? But that isn’t a religion quiz, it’s a “science quiz.” Some religious schools do a perfectly good job teaching science. They just don’t use Genesis as their science textbook. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/53 "2013-04-26T20:31:54Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > But that isn’t a religion quiz, it’s a “science quiz.” > > Some religious schools do a perfectly good job teaching science. They just don’t use Genesis as their science textbook. Why would they teach them stuff that contradicts their religion? If their religion does not believe in science, what would be the point of teaching it? ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/54 "2013-04-26T20:36:32Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Why would they teach them stuff that contradicts their religion? If their religion does not believe in science, what would be the point of teaching it? Because teaching a child young-earth creationism is child abuse. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/55 "2013-04-26T20:47:54Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > Because teaching a child young-earth creationism is child abuse. That’s ridiculous. Religious people actually believe this stuff, so why would or should they keep it from their children? We have a right to our own beliefs. What about Santa? Adults know its fake and teach it to kids anyway. How is that not worse? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/56 "2013-04-26T21:28:37Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > My 9th grade history teacher told us a map of the Caspian Sea was actually Great Britain. (She was mistaking the water for land.) It took us some time to convince her she was wrong. I remember the day my second grade teacher taught us that the Amazon River flowed through India. (She misunderstood the book we were reading about “Indians” who lived along the Amazon). ---
**Author:** ![Hazle\_Weatherfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Hazle\_Weatherfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazle_Weatherfield)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/57 "2013-04-27T06:56:57Z")
> **[Is This a Real 4th Grade Science Quiz?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/4th-grade-science-quiz/)** > > Image shows a fourth-grade science test about 'Dinosaurs: Genesis and the Gospel' from a South Carolina school. Obligatory Snopes cite. Undetermined. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/58 "2013-04-27T08:17:17Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Why would they teach them stuff that contradicts their religion? Not all religious people are creationists. In fact remarkably few are. Most Christian Schools teach a regular Science curriculum like any other. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/59 "2013-04-27T12:42:52Z")
> [@Hazle\_Weatherfield](#): > > [Is This a Real 4th Grade Science Quiz? | Snopes.com](http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/sciencetest.asp) > > Obligatory Snopes cite. Undetermined. I wonder if it was reading these comments that made them change! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421/60 "2013-04-27T13:45:36Z")
- Were you there? - No, were you? - No. - Then do you know? - The Bible tells me so. - The what? - The Bible. - What’s that? - History of the universe. - Oh, who wrote that? - God. - Who’s that? - You must believe in God. - Never heard of her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-test-from-4th-grade-science-class/656421.md?page=4)