# Creationist Science website (hoax or not?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 3, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389 "2004-03-03T21:50:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Logiotheist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@Logiotheist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Logiotheist)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/1 "2004-03-03T21:50:28Z")
This website is either the funniest website I’ve ever seen - if it is a hoax it is a very good one. Yet it is disturbing to think that this website might be for real. Your opinions? [http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html](http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CyberHippy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dec6dc/32.png) [@CyberHippy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyberHippy)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/2 "2004-03-03T22:04:58Z")
> [@Logiotheist](#): > > This website is either the funniest website I’ve ever seen - if it is a hoax it is a very good one. Yet it is disturbing to think that this website might be for real. Your opinions? > > [http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html](http://objective.jesussave.us/creationsciencefair.html) > > :rolleyes: Doesn’t look like a hoax, based on going to the parent site [Objective: Christian Ministries](http://objective.jesussave.us/index.html) - though I agree with your assessment. I especially enjoyed the “High School Level” winner, wherein the power of prayer is “proven” to be effective in guiding evolution in bacteria. Uh, how does this support Creation Science? Seems like they’ve shown that muttering (praying) over one dish causes the bacteria to evolve differently than those in the un-muttered dish. If anything, they’re supporting evolution. 😃 Like every other Creationist Science website I’ve ever seen, it fails miserably when just a little critical thinking is applied. But it is damn funny! ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/3 "2004-03-03T22:05:46Z")
Yep, it’s a hoax, but a funny one. See the links to Landover Baptist etc? Elsewhere on the site: “Creation Science Facts Q - Were Neanderthals the “monkey men” Evolutionists keep talking about? A - No! Neanderthals were humans with abnormal bone growth due to very advanced age and Flood-cloud-related rickets!” ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/4 "2004-03-03T22:06:09Z")
Yes, there was a previous thread in which it was determiend to be a hoax. ---
**Author:** ![rose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@rose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rose)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/5 "2004-03-03T22:12:23Z")
Funny if it’s fake… \*\*very \*\* scary if it is real! But I doubt it… 2nd place at the middle-school level- Women Were Designed for Homemaking? From a middle-schooler, that one sounds too bad to be true. And the 1st pace elementary school… My Uncle Isn’t A Monkey! Ha… well that’s all the scientific proof \*I \* need! But if it is a hoax, this guy followed through… the links seem alright. ---
**Author:** ![CyberHippy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dec6dc/32.png) [@CyberHippy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyberHippy)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/6 "2004-03-03T22:24:58Z")
> [@lambchops](#): > > Yep, it’s a hoax, but a funny one. See the links to Landover Baptist etc? > > Elsewhere on the site: > “Creation Science Facts > Q - Were Neanderthals the “monkey men” Evolutionists keep talking about? > A - No! Neanderthals were humans with abnormal bone growth due to very advanced age and Flood-cloud-related rickets!” Ah, except that the link to Landover Baptist is to a page on their own site: [Landover Baptist is a fraud.](http://objective.jesussave.us/shutdown.html) They’re “debunking” the Landover Baptist site. I think they’re serious. ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/7 "2004-03-03T23:16:46Z")
**CyberHippy** , the page denouncing Landover Baptist is, like everythign else on the site, a hoax. I twigged when I followed the link under “Hopziah the Kanga-Jew” to the [explanation](http://objective.jesussave.us/kangaroo.html) of how kangaroos were once native to the Middle East and were mistaken for satyrs by “wine-addled…Dionysian cultists”. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/8 "2004-03-03T23:31:16Z")
It has to be a hoax. > [@](#): > > [http://objective.jesussave.us/eye.html](http://objective.jesussave.us/eye.html) > > Logic dictates that if evolutionism is true and the eye was built incrementally over time from _nothing_ to its present state of functional _wholeness_, then it must have at some point in the past been only _half_ of an eye. > > Only a moment’s thought on this supposed ancestral eye lets us see that there would be problems: How would this eye be moved in its socket if it wasn’t a smooth spherical shape? What would stop the seepage of light through the top? How would the lens keep from being deformed if it was not held equally on all sides? How would the eye jelly have kept from spilling out of the opened bowl of the half-eye? ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/9 "2004-03-03T23:43:23Z")
That site is a hoax. But [this one is real.](http://www.tccsa.tc/adventure/fair_ideas.html) You can’t help but love some of the suggested topics. 1. Statistical occurrence of giants, and midgets and dwarfs and giantism. Use Princess Flo, Goliath, and brothers. - 1. How much voltage or current can a human take before he is killed? Could do experiments on a plant. - 1. What was the weather like before the Flood? 2. Were all the animals friendly to man before the Flood? Idea: raise several baby animals like snake and mouse together to see if they remain friends as they are older. 3. Why do they live longer before the Flood? - 1. What is God made of? - 1. Why do people believe in Evolution? 2. What events caused them to become evolutionists? I’d pay money to see these last two presented at a science fair. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/10 "2004-03-03T23:50:16Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Yes, there was a previous thread in which it was determiend to be a hoax. That could be the Pit thread I opened several months ago, the final veredict IIRC, was that the site was a monumental WOOOSHHHH!!! I´m still trying to comb my hair again into shape. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/11 "2004-03-04T00:07:37Z")
I can not believe someone put that much effort into filling out every last little corner of the website. I also agree that is has to be a hoax, but many of the sites it links to seem to be quite real… Yikes. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/12 "2004-03-04T00:11:56Z")
It is indeed a fine hoax that must have been a lot of work. If I had made such a thing, I would be very proud. ---
**Author:** ![CyberHippy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dec6dc/32.png) [@CyberHippy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyberHippy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/13 "2004-03-04T00:28:47Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > That could be the Pit thread I opened several months ago, the final veredict IIRC, was that the site was a monumental WOOOSHHHH!!! > I´m still trying to comb my hair again into shape. 😉 Heh, found your thread, which referenced another thread, which had links to a site debunking this sucker. For future readers: [Ale’s Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=223405) refers to [This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198567) which, near the bottom, refers to [This site](http://www.crank.net/creationism.html) (but they don’t mention the site anymore - mabye I’m blind?) and [This site](http://www.applelinks.com/articles/2002/04/20020423140855.shtml) which is the only thorough debunking I could find, by a Christian Mac-user. After reading those threads, and the site above, I’m leaning more toward the _hoax_ interpretation. A damn good one, if that, and I’m damn proud to have been whooshed so well… ---
**Author:** ![Logiotheist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@Logiotheist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Logiotheist)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/14 "2004-03-04T00:31:34Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > It is indeed a fine hoax that must have been a lot of work. > > If I had made such a thing, I would be very proud. Check out the HTML source code where it has email addresses… one is juno which would tip me off that it could be a hoax but some of the people have email addresses like [youthpastor.com](http://youthpastor.com), [praize.com](http://praize.com), [baptistmail.com](http://baptistmail.com), [jesus-army.com](http://jesus-army.com), etc. Some people have too much time on their hands 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/15 "2004-03-04T16:07:49Z")
QUOTE: 2nd Place: “Women Were Designed For Homemaking” Jonathan Goode (grade 7) applied findings from many fields of science to support his conclusion that God designed women for homemaking: physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry baskets; biology shows that women were designed to carry un-born babies in their wombs and to feed born babies milk, making them the natural choice for child rearing; social sciences show that the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal pay; and exegetics shows that God created Eve as a companion for Adam, not as a co-worker. /Marge Simpson/ I can’t begin to tell you what’s wrong with that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/16 "2004-03-04T18:20:39Z")
> [@CyberHippy](#): > > Ah, except that the link to Landover Baptist is to a page on their own site: [Landover Baptist is a fraud.](http://objective.jesussave.us/shutdown.html) They’re “debunking” the Landover Baptist site. > > I think they’re serious. I just checked out that website and it’s making me a bit ill to tell the truth. > [@](#): > > The Internet was created by the United States of America - a Christian nation [ref. 1, 2, 3] - and should not be used to spread anti-Christian, secular, or non-Christian propaganda and hatespeech. This is our Internet, and we should exercise our position as its owners and as the guardians of civilization to stop its misuse. WTF? Since when was America charged as the owners of the internet? ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/17 "2004-03-04T18:22:23Z")
Shoot, now I feel foolish…I just rechecked that link. Disregard my last post-I’ve been…tired…all day…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/18 "2004-03-04T20:25:31Z")
Yeah, Landover has made several of these “Landover is evil and needs to be stopped!” satire sites, which is, in my opinion, hilarious and brilliant. That creation science fair cracks me up every time. ---
**Author:** ![Logiotheist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@Logiotheist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Logiotheist)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/19 "2004-03-05T02:28:11Z")
I just stumbled into this website that really cracks me up :^) How To Think Like A Fundy [http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/fundy.html](http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/fundy.html) After reading it, there is a Back button at the bottom of the webpage that takes you to their homepage which has some other hilarious stuff. Enjoy - I did! ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2004, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389/20 "2004-03-05T23:40:11Z")
Funniest thing is that some creationists think that science fair site is for real… ([Cite](http://www.darwintalk.com/message-board-forum/viewtopic.php?t=141)) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationist-science-website-hoax-or-not/232389.md?page=2)