# Creationists and Hubble space telescope findings **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 18, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506 "2009-04-18T04:46:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506/41 "2009-04-19T12:37:16Z")
I have yet to get an answer from a creationist (or any theist) as to; who created the place for God to be? If God is a being then he would have to have a place to exist in, or He couldn’t exist! ---
**Author:** ![regginbrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@regginbrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/regginbrow)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506/42 "2009-04-19T21:43:42Z")
> [@BlackFish](#): > > [CreationWiki](http://creationwiki.org/Big_bang) has got an article on big bang. God, that website literally makes me :(. ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506/43 "2009-04-30T19:28:12Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > A few I’ve heard : > > Claim that the universe was created by God with the light already in transit, the fossils in rock, and so on so it only LOOKS old. > > Alternatively, claim that the Devil added all the evidence of the universe being old. > > Claim that the scientists are simply faking all the data, since they are atheists, Satanists, or both. > > Claim that since you can’t prove that objective reality exists any opinion is good as any other, therefore creationism is true regardless of the evidence. > > Deny that the images are actually that old. Here are a few to add to that: \> The speed of light is not constant, and has been declining like a decay curve to its present value. (Believe it or not, some of the more clever fellows on board with this idea claim that when you recalculate light delay from the Galilean satellites with the modern measurement of the earth’s orbit, you can get the higher figure predicted by this line of reasoning.) \> Distant starlight has gone through space-warps. - Evidence? \> Light left each star at it’s present remoteness with the constant value known as c. _ **However,** _ at the time of creation everything was much closer together. Old Whatsisname then stretched out the space between the stars (presumably in a way proportionate to the original distance from us) and that explains the evidence of great distances – They **are** very distant - **now!** There is even an OT passage that supposedly refers to this spacial stretching, probably in Psalms. (Seems to me that we would have billions of galaxies in the visible universe within a radius of 10,000 years, originally, and that would create certain problems.) _ **- Jadk** _ ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506/44 "2009-04-30T19:51:40Z")
They ooh and aah over the pictures of the [Hand of God Nebula](http://www.reacjapan.com/dst-blog/hand-of-god-nebula%5B1%5D.jpg), and ignore all that eggheaded gobbledygook about science and what-for. Business as usual, in other words. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506/45 "2009-04-30T20:17:42Z")
> [@True Blue Jack](#): > > (Seems to me that we would have billions of galaxies in the visible universe within a radius of 10,000 years, originally, and that would create certain problems.) There is not an issue with that actually. Remember the Universe is expanding and the closer to the “edge” (really just our limit…there can and probably are things beyond our visible horizon) something is the faster it moves away from us. So, a photon emitted by one of those billions of “nearby” galaxies would take longer to get to the earth because space itself is expanding almost as fast as the photon moves (again assuming it was near the “edge” to begin with…even though that “edge” was a lot closer back then). Check out the animation at the top of [this page](http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/redshift.html). A lot easier to visualize than my explanation. The rest of the page is interesting too explaining how there can be different values for how far away very distant things really are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-and-hubble-space-telescope-findings/493506.md?page=2)