# Creationists...Why did God create Black Holes?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [March 26, 2002, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-why-did-god-create-black-holes/100123 "2002-03-26T03:07:54Z")\
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**Author:** ![Joe\_Cool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Joe\_Cool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Cool)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-why-did-god-create-black-holes/100123/41 "2002-03-27T22:08:24Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Phlosphr \*  
> \*\*I guess after much discussion **Joe\_Cool** has nailed it on the head.
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> The operative phrase here is _IF_ you believe as I do…
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> I do believe **Joe** that you do consider yourself science minded from time to time. However, as you know science is based in empirical findings, and as the existence of God can not be empirically proved. An answer such as the one you provided sends us back to the begining of the debate. I suppose some will say that the empirical evidence for the existance of God is all around us… I would say, yup it sure is if that is what you believe.\*\*

Well, since this whole thread is predicated on the idea that people DO believe that, and the question is asked of people who believe that, what’s the problem?

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> \*\*\*\*By the way I thought it was widely regarded as a mathematical improbability that there isn’t intelligent life in the universe. Is Math a universal truth or valid enough to say that 1+1 definitely equals 2? \*\*

So what’s the connection? What equation proves that there _has_ to be intelligent life somewhere else (obviously the probability that that there is _any_ intelligent life is 1, since we like to think we’re pretty intelligent) in the universe? Is this proven to the same degree of certainty as the statement that 1+1=2? Show me the math, and if it’s solid, then I give up. Oh, we’ll also need evidence of the veracity of all the assumptions made in the computation.

Oh, or is the “widely regarged improbability” not proven? Perhaps one of those “everybody knows” things? You know, snopes is full of those.

Anyway, mathematics doesn’t make any statements about the universe. Math as such is abstract, and in order to apply it to the universe, you need certain givens, and observations that must be true, otherwise there’s no relation.

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**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\
**Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creationists-why-did-god-create-black-holes/100123/42 "2002-03-27T23:11:30Z")

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The probability equation that there _is_ intelligent life on other planets is here:  
http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1996/ph123/l16.html

I have used the equation before in class. Every year some student takes this home and figures new and improved rational for life on other planets…Conversely, every year a student denounces the existence of life on other planets as improbable. This leads to wondrous classroom debates and heated remarks about our human existence in this universe which we reside…

\*\*I am not shooting down ones beliefs but I am questioning what science has yet to prove and what people are willing to believe. Fascinating !

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