# Creative types who simply do not get the credit that is due them **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 8, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945 "2011-08-08T14:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/41 "2011-08-10T02:53:10Z")
Ron Sexsmith? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/42 "2011-08-10T06:38:06Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > He wrote _We Didn’t Start the Fire_ and managed to list a bunch of historical events in chronological order and make them rhyme. That is talent on a Jabberwocky scale. I’m not convinced that _Jabberwocky_ is talent on Jabberwocky scale. ---
**Author:** ![ecoaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/85e7bf/32.png) [@ecoaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ecoaster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/43 "2011-08-10T07:15:37Z")
would heartily agree that Joan Armatrading is way way underappreciated especially on this side of the pond. Plenty of writers and thinkers too, William T. Vollman and Jerry Mander come to mind. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/44 "2011-08-10T08:14:01Z")
Jerry Ragovoy. Not a famous songwriter, but a writer of famous songs. Examples: “Time Is on My Side,” “Eight Days on the Road,” “Piece of my Heart,” “Cry Baby.” Songs recorded by Dusty Springfield, Mannfred Mann, Miriam Makeba, Janis Joplin, The Rolling Stones, B.B. King, Bonnie Raitt, Elvis Costello, Mary J. Blige… So he died in July. I’ll bet you didn’t hear about him even then. Songwriters who are singer-songwriters get much better press. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/45 "2011-08-10T08:32:32Z")
Singer/songwriter Aimee Mann is absolutely amazing and I never hear much about her. I became a fan of hers after seeing the move, Magnolia, for which she did the soundtrack. Her voice is beautiful and haunting, and her songs really touch me. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/46 "2011-08-10T12:01:16Z")
As clever as the song “Bob” by Weird Al Yankovic is, note that Yankovic didn’t come up with most of the palindromes (and probably didn’t come up with any of them). There are a number of books, websites, etc. with large collections of English-language palindromes, and Yankovic undoubtedly searched through them for lines for the song. It was interesting for him to come up with the idea of doing a parody of Bob Dylan doing the “Subterranean Homesick Blues” (both the song itself and the music video) where all the lines were palindromes, since they sound at first equally meaningless. (The video for “Subterranean Homesick Blues” is actually just a clip from the documentary _Dont Look Back_. That’s Allen Ginsberg and Bob Neuwirth in the background of the Dylan video.) There are people who would argue that “Subterranean Homesick Blues” is a much more interesting and influential song and video than “Bob”: > **[Subterranean Homesick Blues](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_Homesick_Blues)** > > "Subterranean Homesick Blues" is a song by Bob Dylan, recorded on January 14, 1965, and released as a single by Columbia Records, catalogue number 43242, on March 8. It was the lead track on the album Bringing It All Back Home, released some two weeks later. It was Dylan's first Top 40 hit in the United States, peaking at number 39 on the Billboard Hot 100. It also entered the Top 10 of the UK Singles Chart. The song has subsequently been reissued on numerous compilations, the first being t It is... ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/47 "2011-08-10T20:43:05Z")
> [@Indygrrl](#): > > Singer/songwriter Aimee Mann is absolutely amazing and I never hear much about her. I became a fan of hers after seeing the move, Magnolia, for which she did the soundtrack. Her voice is beautiful and haunting, and her songs really touch me. I agree, she is amazing. Unappreciated by the general public, unfortunately, but she’s done well for herself. She was in a massively popular group (‘Til Tuesday) that still gets played on the radio, she’s married to a well-known singer-songwriter (Michael Penn), is the sister-in-law of a famous actor (Sean Penn) and so has access and connections that most people would never dream of having, and has tons of credits on IMDB, which besides Magnolia, include appearing in the Coen Brothers’ arguably most popular film (The Big Lebowski). And then there’s that Academy Award nomination (lost to Phil Collins, unfortunately). ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/48 "2011-08-17T13:22:47Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > So - to the extent the question is “Who is another under-recognized VVG or PKD type?” - then I don’t see how \*\*Billy Joel \*\*fits. He’s damn popular, ridiculously rich and experienced career longevity 99.9% of musical artists can’t touch. But it just so happens that a large contingent of music fans think he sucks, or is, at least, cliche and pretentious and not-rock. > > You obviously disagree with that, but the bottom line is that a lot of folks agree with you and he is hugely popular as a result. He is far from unsung… Another songwriter who is “damn popular, ridiculously rich and with carer longevity” is composer Andrew Lloyd Webber, yet he is also dissed to the nth degree. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945/49 "2011-08-17T13:41:00Z")
Bill Finger deserves a co-credit alongside Bob Kane’s on any Batman work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creative-types-who-simply-do-not-get-the-credit-that-is-due-them/591945.md?page=2)