Credit Check To Get A Cat?

To everyone here that works in shelters, I applaud you. I know it must be hard not to become jaded. You do a wonderful thing.
My rant above was at one spacific shelter that had too many jaded workers and I didn’t mean it as a black mark against all shelters. I’m sorry if it came off as such.

Something I’ve thought about before but never really fleshed out would be something like a “Secret Shopper” for shelters. I have no clue who would run such a thing (like I said, never fleshed the idea out) but it would have people go into shelters from time to time pretending to be a person looking to adopt. Some would be the ideal adoptive families and some would be terrible. Then rank the shelters on how they treat each.

Where I grew up, all you needed to do was go into the shelter, pick out a pet, and take him/her home. Real simple. I don’t think they asked you for much info.

The one in our county now has a more complex process, and I think ultimately it’s a very good one.

  1. Adopter visits kennel, picks out a new pet.

  2. Adopter obtains a “visit slip” from front desk that allows him/her to walk outside with the animal with a staff member. You know, a ‘getting to know you’ walk.

  3. Adopter fills out an application to adopt. This application is good for any subsequent adoption, too; you don’t have to fill out a new one every time.

  4. If adopter is first on the list - that is, the first to put in a ‘claim’ for the pet and at least six days have passed since the pet was advertised as having been found (if a stray) without the last owners’ coming in to claim the pet, then the shelter contacts the adopter.

  5. The shelter arranges for an in-home interview of the adopter. This is to go over the nuts and bolts of the adoption, plus whatever needs the animal may have. This is the time for the adopter to ask questions. It’s done at the home because it’s usually a lot less stressful for the adopter - less chaos, anyway. The interview takes 30-45 mins.

  6. The adopter picks up the animal at the shelter, often the same day as the interview. Caveat - if the interview goes poorly, meaning the interviewer noticed what he/she thought was a very unsafe abode - then there’s no picking up, no adoption. Another reason they do the interview is to try to weed out puppy farmers and abusive people; because people are generally more relaxed in their own home, they may let their true selves show. In theory, anyway.

When the animal is picked up, the adopter pays for a neutering or spaying and receives a coupon in return that is redeemed at a participating local vet. They also pay for any standard treatments - such as flea/tick, heartworm, and so on. They don’t pay for anything that’s not standard or typical. These costs are very minimal.

Generally shelter volenteers don’t think much of breeders and commonly refer to them as puppy/kitty mills. As such they don’t think too highly of those who support these breeders.

I would say that if you want an animal but don’t qualify for a shelter adoption, you should go to a breeder and pay some bucks so you might have more incentive correcting your shortcommings to protect your investment and therby give your animal a proper home.

There was a recent pit rant about someone on this board that takes in cats as rodent control, never gives them medical attention and lets coyoties eat them at will. If he had to pay a breader $100- $200/cat he might take better care of them.

FyreFiend, I think you have it almost backwards. In my experience, publicly-funded (but privately-run) shelters are under a fair amount of pressure from local officials.

Every halfwit who gets rejected for an adoption, who gets charged a boarding fee when they pick up their stray animal, or who comes by the shelter two weeks after their dog has gone missing and finds out it’s been euthanized – every one of these halfwits goes straight to the County Commissioners or the Mayor with their complaint. Running a publicly funded shelter involves a huge amount of public-relations skills.

(To be fair, every person with a legitimate complaint also goes to the local officials. I tend to think we run a good operation, though, and so I get a little defensive when people complain :slight_smile: ).

In contrast, privately-run shelters tend to answer only to the foundations or private members that fund them. These folks are a lot less responsive to complaints by voters, for some reason.

Of course, there’s also government-run shelters: unlike private nonprofits that contract with a government, these shelters are run by government employees, and too often the person in charge is basically a political appointee. These places can be downright grim.

In any case, see my post above about how we’re not franchises. Except in rare places like New York city, there’s no SPCA that has any authority to shut us down or indeed do anything with us. We’re answerable to local government, to private members, and to foundations, mostly, not to national organizations.

Dantheman, that’s an interesting procedure! Just by way of comparison, I wanna give our procedure. There are some significant differences:

  1. Person comes to the shelter. We ask them to sign in (so we can track shelter traffic, and so we can have a record of who was at the shelter in the event of an animal theft or something), and then we direct them to the cat room or the dog room.
  2. They go to the appropriate room, where an adoption counselor meets them. (When not dealing with visitors, adoption counselors are responsible for keeping cages clean, feeding animals, and the like).
  3. The counselor asks them a few very general questions about what sort of animal they’re looking for – young, old, breed, active, lazy, etc. – and about their lifestyle – outdoorsy, in an apartment, traveling often, etc. The counselor points out particular animals that the visitor might be interested in.
  4. The counselor helps the visitor take cats and puppies out of their cages to be played with, or dogs out of their cages to be walked.
  5. When the visitor decides on an animal to adopt, the counselor takes them to our adoption application room, where they conduct a more formal interview/adoption application process. This is where we look for red flags (“I’m just looking for a guard dog, not a pet,” or, “Yeah, my last five dogs all jumped out of my pickup truck and got run over,” for example). We also look for concerns (“I have a six-month-old child at home; is it okay to get a puppy now?” or “My parents just gave me a really nice sofa, and they’ll kill me if I let the cat scratch it up – how can I prevent this?”) We’ve got about 40 different fact-sheets on all sorts of animal behavior subjects, which we make available to the applicant, and we try to answer all their concerns completely. If they say something that concerns us, we’ll try to work with them on it.
  6. Almost everyone is accepted, sometimes after we’ve spent awhile persuading them that they really are going to need to let the dog come inside on a daily basis or whatever. At this point, the applicant pays their $70 adoption fee and decides whether to get the animal microchipped at an additional cost of $20. They sign the adoption contract, agreeing to such things as providing proper care for the animal, not letting dogs run loose, not performing experiments on their new pet or selling the animal to laboratories, and so on.
  7. We have an in-house veterinarian who sterilizes all male cats and all male puppies before they enter the adoption room; we sterilize other animals as appropriate. If the animal is already sterilized, the adopter can take their new pet home immediately; otherwise, they have to come back the next day, after we can send the animal off for surgery. This is really important to us: we almost never let an animal leave our custody fertile. It would be irresponsible to the 6,500 other animals we have to euthanize every year to let one go out that might send more animals through our back doors.
  8. In very rare cases, an animal will be adopted out that weighs less than two pounds or that has a medical condition preventing sterilization at that time. In these cases, the adopter puts down an additional $100 deposit. We tell the adopter that if they don’t present us with proof that they’ve sterilized their animal by a deadline we give them, we’ll use that $100 to pay court costs involved in reclaiming the animal from them. We’re super hard core about this. We get mean about this if we need to. As a result, we have a 100% sterilization rate for our adopted cats and dogs. (Our rate is less impressive for the hamsters, ferrets, parakeets, and tarantulas we adopt out).
  9. Finally, one week after the adoption, a staff member or volunteer calls the new pet owner to make sure everything’s going well. If they’re having problems, we put them on the phone with our animal behavior expert, who will try to help them resolve the difficulties.

Our goal is to put good animals in good homes. Yes, we’re cautious, and we won’t adopt to just anybody; and yes, we’ve had people chew our heads off because we denied them an adoption. But for the most part, we really want to make the process work. We’re all too aware of the fate of the animals that don’t get a home, and if there’s any way we can put the animal in a good home, we really want to do so.

That said, the one thing we’re crazy zealots about is spaying and neutering. Putting an animal in the best home in the world isn’t worth it if that animal’s puppies or kittens are going to be coming in our back door twice a year for the next seven years. In this case, a grisly calculus comes to play, and we’d prefer to euthanize an animal than adopt it out fertile.

Daniel

I should also mention that another reason they come out to your place is to try somehow to spot people who just want to sell the animal to a lab or to a pet store. Shelter animals, IMO, should go to loving homes; the adopter shouldn’t be seeking to make a profit. A new doggie isn’t an investment (except in the sense that you’re investing time and patience and all that) from which one should profit.

Our local Humane Society spays and neuters animals before they’re adopted-Piper Grace had only been spayed the day before we came and got her.

FyreFiend said

A) So, where we you and your girlfriend when local busybodies were putting pressure on the SPCA to have a “vicious breed” policy or risk losing donations or perhaps losing their non-profit status?

B) Sure, some rescue groups are great - Especially the one’s I’m associated with! :wink: - but there’s a thin line between rescue and hoarding, and people cross it all the time.

Capri - How many times a year does someone abandon a pet when the bill gets too high?

Soulsearchersaid

The philosophy is that you do everything you can to ensure that the people who adopt the pet will, indeed, give it a good home for life. As kanicbird said, “Shelter volenteers get very hurt when they find that the cat they knew has been starved to death, fed to a dog on purpose, abused, etc.”

Incidentally, the rescue groups I have knowledge of don’t let anyone have the dog for a full year. A year. A full year of proving that you can give the dog a good home before it’s legally yours. Rescue groups can do this because the volunteers have the time.

I’ve adopted from both my local humane society and my county animal control (AKA The Pound). At the pound, you enter and sign in. You’re free to visit the cat room and the dog room. The dogs are kept in kennels about 4’ X 4’. If they’re small, or puppies, there may be several of them in the mennel. The cats are kepts in stacked cages, with litter boxes and food, etc. If you find one you like, you pay your money and the animal is vaccinated for rabies and de-wormed. You have to take the animal to the spay-neuter clinic on the property immediately and they’ll neuter it the next day. Then you’re allowed to take it home. If it’s too small/young to be altered, you pay for the procedure and are given a certificate to bring back with the animal when it reaches the proper age. This is also the facility that has the infamous “drop box”, a large metal dumpster sitting in the hot Southern sun. If the facility is closed and you wish to abandon an animal, you open one of three bins: “Cats and Puppies”, “Small Dogs” and “Large Dogs”. Think library book drop. You open the hinged door at the top and drop your pet in. Of course, many animals dumped there will be bitten/clawed by other frightened animals and will then be considered unadoptable and euthanized. If they pick up a stray animal, the owner is given two days to claim it. There is one day for adoption, then the animal is euthanized.

At the humane society, you can look at the dogs that are outside in runs. Male dogs on one side, females on the other. The runs are probably 20’ X 5’. There is a dog door on each so they can go into an air-conditioned indoor area. Each run has shade. When you go inside, you can either go to the cat room or the puppy room. You can take animals out and play with them or walk them. If you find one you’d like to adopt, you fill out an adoption form. If you rent, you’re asked to bring a letter from your landlord authorizing you to have a pet. If you own, you’re asked if you have a fenced in yard. If you have a dog door to the yard, you’re not allowed to adopt a cat, as they are for inside-only homes. If you show that you have a dog door with a magnetic lock, which can only be opened with a sensor on the dogs collar, they may let you have a cat. If you’ve had a pet die they’ll ask the cause of death. If it’s something like parvo, they won’t let you adopt until a certain amount of time has elapsed, because the virus stays in the ground for a long time. They may ask to talk to your vet, if you have a regular one. If you pass the adoption requirements, you pay your adoption fee but they keep the animal until the spay/neuter is done.

StG

J.C., I’m not about to get into an agrument about Pitt Bulls. I resent being called a busybodies as you don’t even know me to judge. You want to continue with name calling take it to the the pitt.

DanielWithrow, I think I misscommunicated. I believe (but don’t know for sure) that the local shelter is run by the city. I do know that the city has them handle pet shop inspections so I assume the city does run it. Sorry again about not being clear.

Fyrefiend - I don’t believe j.c. was calling you a busybody - I think the point was that the people who outlaw pit bulls are busybodies. The question was did you speak u when the dogs were outlawed. Although I don’t believe they have to be outlawed to be considered a breed they won’t adopt out. I know that some organizations will euthanize to prevent the possibility of the dogs being fought, and to minimalize the potential for lawsuit if the dogs are adopted and then bite someone.

StG

Damnit damnit damnit!!!
You are quite right StGermain. Thank you for pointing that out.

j.c.: I am very sorry for jumping on you like that. I just had a rather long night and read your post too quickly but that is no exuse. I should never have replied before rereading your post to make sure I didn’t misread.
Now you may feel free to call me all kinds of nasty names. I’ve called myself a few once StGermain pointed out that I was being an idiot.
Once again, I am sorry.

FyreFiend - don’t worry about it. My point was just that there are people out there with plenty of time to make the rules, and a lot of us don’t bother to say anything until it’s too late.

FWIW: Another reason for not putting pit bull type dogs on the adoption list might be that animal control people worry about accidentally placing a dog who is part of a cruelty case in a home, and being legally responsible for the ensuing mayhem, or simply for the error. When animals are collected in a cruelty case, whether fighting dogs or puppy mill, the poor doomed creatures have to stay in the city, country, or SPCA kennels until the case clears a certain point. Then … well, you know. These animals are usually not with the general population, but I can see how an organization with funding and staffing issues would worry about mistakes.