Creepy: was the moon landing was hoaxed...?

Factual Questions
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More debunking, and this is just from my own memory:

The statement that no Apollo astronaut died from cancer is lazily false. Edgar Mitchell and Jack Swigert are the first 2 to come to mind. Swigert’s death came within about 2 years of the Apollo 13 mission.

Cosmic radiation is almost as strong right here on the earth’s surface as in space. The film-fogging effect would be negligible. Even with airport X-ray machines, only ISO1000 and faster is even affected.

Thousands of people saw the liftoffs in person. How could they have been staged?

Aldrin makes no secret of his problem with alcohol in the years after Apollo 11. That alone would explain the described behavior.

Why bother to set off a magnesium flare? That could have been done from an unmanned spacecraft just as easily. Why not? Would have fried the cameras.

Sure, there were “rehearsals” of the missions on simulated moon surfaces, and no wonder they were filmed. Why would they have had to be faked?

Yes, the early missions showed problems, which were fixed one by one for the later ones. That’s why the early missions, call them test flights if you like, were flown. And there certainly WERE problems with the lunar missions, a different set for each flight: Apollo 12 alone had enough excitement with an engine flameout and a lightning strike just during boost.

But simply ask yourself: Is it really possible for so many people to be in on such a big secret without any of them ever blabbing?

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Perhaps the easiest way to prove that humans have been on the moon is to simply point a telescope at it; being able to see a lunar lander on the moon would be pretty good proof to me. That mirror that reflects lasers is helpful as well…

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Actually, it was answered by David B, but I’m sure he wouldn’t mind the comparison.

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If NASA’s so good at faking space missions, why didn’t they fake successful conclusions to those two Mars missions that failed so embarrassingly recently?

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I believe the spacesuits also have constant-volume joints, a design originally credited to Robert Heinlein.

Anyway, you can watch a movie of an astronaut setting up a laser reflector on the moon. Then you can go out in your backyard, aim your laser at that part of the moon, and catch the reflection. Proof positive that there is a laser reflector on the moon, although I suppose a conspiracy nut could always claim that it was put there by an unmanned probe that landed in exactly the same spot…

Then we have the 1/6g gravity field, which is incredibly difficult to fake. I have a DVD with footage from the moon which includes things like an astronaut dropping a hammer and a feather at the same time to show that Galileo was correct. You can time the drop and figure out the local gravity. You can see that the feather lands at the same time as the hammer, meaning the environment has to be airless.

The only way this could be faked would be to have the feather and hammer riding on some sort of wire contraption that was edited out in post-processing. That would have been very expensive and time consuming, to get a couple of seconds of unnecessary footage, don’t you think?

If the moon landings had been faked, it would have required special effects rivalling the best of what we can do today, and it would be the most expensive movie in history. It would probably be more expensive to fake the Apollo missions than it was to simply go there. After all, we have hundreds of hours of footage from the moon and in orbit around the moon. Ron Howard spent a few million bucks just to fake perhaps ten minutes of such footage.

People who believe we never landed on the moon are either extremely uneducated, or unable to do even rudimentary critical thinking, or are just this side of wearing a tinfoil helmet to keep the alien rays out.

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Unfortunately, Zor, there was nothing left on the Moon big enough to be resolved by any telescope on Earth. We covered this a while back in the thread Whitey’s on the Moon?. The corner reflector is there, though, and many groups not connected with NASA have reflected lasers off of it.

Since nobody else has yet done so, I’ll attempt to make a point-by-point refutation of the essay in the OP.
How is the flag fluttering? It isn’t. It’s held out by a wire in the top of the flag.
The photos and the rocks are the only proof Ham operators also picked up the transmissions, and there’s the above-mentioned corner reflector.
The TV transmission was low quality The technology was in its infancy, and they didn’t have much bandwidth
The pictures are all high quality They threw out the bad ones
The film should have been irradiated Cosmic radiation is actually worse at the Earth’s surface, because the atmosphere produces secondary particles when hit bu cosmic rays.
They handled the cameras in awkward gloves Both the cameras and the gloves were specifically designed to be used in this manner
The shadows aren’t parallel Perspective and uneven surface
The flag is well-lit They put it up in the sun, of course. As for the words “United States of America”, were they not in the sun, they wouldn’t be visible
The pictures don’t match the video They were taken at the same time, but from different places
Deadly radiation Radiation doesn’t kill instantly, it increases the chance for cancer. Like all other Americans, a few astronauts have died of cancer, but the sample size is too small to say whether more died than would be expected had they stayed on Earth.
Defects on all flights before Apollo 11 There are always minor defects in anything, including Apollo 11. In most of the cases, however, including Apollo 2-10, the defects were small enough that the mission was still a sucess. Also note that there were some major problems with Apollo 13.
Buzz Aldrin crying He wanted to be the first, and always resented being second
Grissom killed in Apollo 1 Accidents happen. If they just wanted him out of the way, they’d have killed him a lot more quietly, not on national TV in a manner that’s guaranteed to be investigated.
Golf shot slicing If you hit a golf ball at the wrong angle, it’ll go in the wrong direction, regardless of air or lack thereof.
Camera showing liftoff/first step Automated cameras mounted on the lander
Inflexible spacesuits Volume change was minimal, and movement was still difficult
No signal produced Other than the continuous radio transmission
Lack of camera in picture It’s on his chest. You expected a Polaroid?
Lack of astronaut’s shadow Presumably out of the frame

Did I miss any? By the way, consider this: The Soviet Union, who had both th means and a strong motive to disprove the Apollo landing, nonetheless accepted it. Maybe all of NASA, all major US Universities, and the military are part of the conspiracy, but why would Russia want to play along?

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>> why would Russia want to play along?

Hmm… because they were part of the conspiracy?

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WOW! Aliens ate the first coulpa lines of my post

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there is no way the moonlanding was faked-but i have a story i swear is true- i knew buzz aldrin back in the late 70’s when Capricorn 1 (the movie about the fake mars landing) came out- he and another friend had gone the night before to see the movie and someone asked him how he liked it-as i recall he said he liked it, although it was a bit phoney-someone then said something like " just like the moon landing right?" everyone laughed and before i could stop myself out of my mouth came “where DID they film the moon landing?” without missing a beat he replied in a dead pan voice while looking straight ahead “they never told us”
we all laughed loudly (he didn’t, as he was still recovering from depression and alcoholism at the time) and i thought what a jerk i am, i’ll bet he has been asked that a million times and thats why he answered so quickly-but in the back of my mind i thought maybe he was just being honest…NAH!!

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Bummers, I just thought there must’ve been one. We can see rocks that are just a couple of meters across on the moon. Aren’t the lunar landers large enough? I know you probably can’t resolve the details and see the “Made in China” engravings, but you should be able to say that shiny little dot is man made… maybe the landers’ shadows?

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Ummm, isn’t Edgar Mitchell still alive? When I met him a year ago or so, he seemed non-dead. Perhaps it was just a NASA conspiro-bot.

Did he recently catch the great big rocket to the sky?

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Re: Edgar Mitchell

According to his bio at NASA:

http://vesuvius.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/mitchell.htm

he’s still alive.

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FWIW, Alan Shepard died of leukemia.

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Read that first paragraph again. Do you really want to get information about the moon landings from a tired/obsessive self-taught engineer.
Second I thought the “to the moon Alice” speech was in Texas at a University.

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Serves me right for posting without verifying. Mea culpa.

I was SURE I’d heard that the guy who went off on searches for the Ark on Mount Ararat, and other various explorations into human consciousness and spirituality, was Mitchell, and that he’d been diagnosed with cancer a few years ago. Turns out that was Jim Irwin.

I’m sticking with Swigert’s death from a quick malignancy just after returning from Apollo 13 (he had just been elected to Congress, too).

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They were 12, 12 I say

O.K. I have to correct this. Recently I was talking with some guy who swore on Allah, Brahma and Jessica Rabbit’s breasts that the only AMERICAN astronauts to set foot on the moon were the Apollo 11 dudes. As if that weren’t enough, he even thought that several cosmonauts had gone there also. :rolleyes:

Hadn’t that perturbed me sufficiently, I read here that there were 14 moon-walking astronauts. My eyes hurt from reading this. HELLO? Can you count to 12? Haven’t you watched Apollo 13? They didn’t make it you know.

Let’s do some math to try clear up the confusion:

6 successful landings,
2 men per landing,
number of astronauts on the moon = 2*6
Guess what? The answer is 12.
Yes, 12.

Boy, all this stupidity has really messed my head up. I better let go of some stress:

The flag flutters I tell you, it really flutters.

Well, Dah! Of course it does, but not for the purported reasons proposed by that psycho. Hasn’t that dude heard of Occam’ s Razor? The simplest explanation is the most likely one. So, what caused the flag to flutter in the absence of an atmosphere?

Once again, Dah! After planting the flag, Aldrin turns around, his ass pointing in the direction of the flag. Suddenly, the inevitable happens. BOOM! His ass does what it is supposed to do, it farts. The wind pressure exerted by the fart allows the flag to gracefully undulate, its stars and stripes rhythmically resonating to the tune of the fart’s frequency.

End of story. Now, on to other matters:

Kubrick did it!

Promptly after making his masterpiece, 2001: A space Odyssey, Nasa officials called upon him to make another space related movie. They came with a nice story about astronauts going to the moon and that sort of crap. They even had a nice working title: 1969: A Lunar Conquest.

Rather naively, Kubrick bought their story and agreed to direct the film. Upon conclusion, NASA officials edited it and showed it to the unsuspecting world as irrefutable proof that men had indeed venture to the moon. Kubrick’ s ire was released immediately but before he could reveal Nasa’ s dark secret the boys from the CIA got to him and offered him a one way ticket to hell if he opened his mouth. Thus the secret was safe. Until now…

You see, Kubrick wasn’t stupid. He always had a slight suspicion about the whole project, a splinter in the mind if you will. I mean the idea that “Nasa goes Hollywood” sounds obscenely silly, don’t you think? Anyway, no issue delving into the past. The important point here is that Kubrick kept a copy of the original print before handing it to Nasa. In his will, he reveals the place where he hid the evidence that convincingly establishes without any doubts the fakeness of the “lunar landings.” That remarkable proof is to be uncovered, according to his testament, next year–2001, poetic, huh?–on the day of his birthday.

All your doubts shall be elucidated by then. And who knows? He might win his first Oscar for that motion picture? Wouldn’t that be ironic?

And, BTW, yes, I’m drunk. :smiley:

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Actually, it was Edgar Mitchell (too?) except for the cancer part(?). My wife worked for The Institute of Noetic Sciences, founded by Mitchell. That’s how I met him. This definitely qualifies as explorations into human consciousness and spirituality.

I’m not as familiar with Irwin’s tale. I also don’t know if Mitchell has or had cancer but is living with it or cured of it.

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There’s additional proof the astronauts really went into space. Excessive exposure to cosmic radiation apparently caused mental derangement. No offense intended.

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Finally…

I have been waiting for a nice, legitimate reason to reanimate an old dead thread. With the airing of Fox’s Moon conspiracy “documentary”, I have finally been handed my ticket.

Anybody know when his birthday is?