# Creoturd Ken Ham whines again about those awful atheists **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350 "2013-08-15T21:00:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/41 "2013-08-16T00:31:07Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’ll show YOU people! I disagree with every post on this board, ever. Including from the AOL days. Including mine, though I missed the AOL days. Including every letter and email ever written to Cecil, especially the ones that were never sent. And every last one of Cecil’s replies. Beat that, bitches. squeal squeal. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/42 "2013-08-16T00:40:23Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Susan was probably hoping to make a convert, not knowing that she was doomed to fail. Hey, yous waives your admission, yous takes your chances. As for Ken Ham, he can go chase the blogger for his money on a stingray bike. I want my $29…! I want my $29…! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/43 "2013-08-16T01:08:28Z")
One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there was one only. This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord, “You promised me Lord, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why?" The Lord replied, “The Sand People travel in single file to hide their numbers" ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/44 "2013-08-16T02:26:17Z")
**armedmonkey** : you win! I absolutely did not see that coming! ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/45 "2013-08-16T03:41:55Z")
I suspected that there would be a twist, but that was a great payoff. Thank you so much **armedmonkey**. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/46 "2013-08-16T04:36:48Z")
Awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/47 "2013-08-16T10:39:16Z")
I am shamelessly stealing that! ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/48 "2013-08-16T11:01:56Z")
Evil doers fear the light. And a big shout out for Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury. [‘Persecuted’ western Christians, grow up](http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/15/rowan-williams-persecuted-christians-grow-up?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-3%20Main%20trailblock:Network%20front%20-%20main%20trailblock:Position3) > [@](#): > > Christians in Britain and the US who claim that they are persecuted should “grow up” and not exaggerate what amounts to feeling “mildly uncomfortable”, according to Rowan Williams, who last year stepped down as archbishop of Canterbury after an often turbulent decade. > > “When you’ve had any contact with real persecuted minorities you learn to use the word very chastely,” he said. “Persecution is not being made to feel mildly uncomfortable. ‘For goodness sake, grow up,’ I want to say.” > > True persecution was “systematic brutality and often murderous hostility that means that every morning you wonder if you and your children are going to live through the day”. He cited the experience of a woman he met in India “who had seen her husband butchered by a mob”. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/49 "2013-08-16T13:42:51Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/50 "2013-08-16T13:51:43Z")
If the creationist’s account in post 11 is accurate (and I’d pick him over Ken Hamm in whose word I’d trust) then I withdraw my comment that what he did was in bad form. Still, that blog article wasn’t well-written, and wasn’t a particularly good takedown of the Creation Museum. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/51 "2013-08-16T13:53:12Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > I am shamelessly stealing that! Me too. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/52 "2013-08-16T14:23:17Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. > > In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there was one only. > > This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord, > > “You promised me Lord, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why?" > > The Lord replied, “The Sand People travel in single file to hide their numbers" Awesome! Love it! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/53 "2013-08-16T19:08:49Z")
> [@slm2955](#): > > Disagree > [@slm2955](#): > > With post #16 > [@slm2955](#): > > It would be something new for a change > [@slm2955](#): > > All of it > [@slm2955](#): > > I still think he is great Are you by any chance a drow? I ask merely because they have the same tendency for, ummm, _economy of expression_ when speaking in Common. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/54 "2013-08-16T19:10:22Z")
I wouldn’t give that shithead any money either. I’m glad he got in for free ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/55 "2013-08-16T20:12:18Z")
That’s pretty much the only reason I never went to go see the place when I lived in Cincinnati, I couldnt bring myself to give them money. And I know I would have gotten kicked out halfway through for laughing uncontrollably at all the weapons grade bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/56 "2013-08-16T21:19:28Z")
Jeez, both guys come off looking bad. I don’t like Hamm, but if (big IF) his version of events is accurate, he’s got a point. I don’t trust either one of them to be telling the truth though. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/57 "2013-08-16T21:22:49Z")
Chastely? That seems like the wrong adverb. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/58 "2013-08-16T21:31:50Z")
I still don’t understand what Ham’s complaint is supposed to be. The guy said he was a skeptic. Maybe he said he was traveling, maybe he suggested he didn’t have much money. Those things are apparently all true. The employee _offered_ him free admission, because, Ham says, they want skeptics to visit. What is the problem? It seems clear that Ham is only upset because the guy emerged from his museum as dubious of “creation science” as ever–in other words, the museum had failed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/59 "2013-08-16T22:27:59Z")
I don’t get how Ham gets from employee offers him a ticket to claiming he stole his way in. Maybe he could argue that he lied (although I don’t see it), but lying and stealing are not the same thing. The employee and only the employee is responsible for the guy getting in free. And he says that he’s happy the employee let him in free. So he has nothing to be upset about. If you don’t want skeptics getting a free tour and then writing about it, either don’t let them in free, or make it on condition that they don’t write about it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/60 "2013-08-17T13:38:17Z")
Atheist, shmatheist. For $29, I’m fuckin’ riding the Jesus horse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350.md?page=4)