# Creoturd Ken Ham whines again about those awful atheists **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350 "2013-08-15T21:00:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/61 "2013-08-17T14:03:54Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > I still don’t understand what Ham’s complaint is supposed to be. The guy said he was a skeptic. Maybe he said he was traveling, maybe he suggested he didn’t have much money. Those things are apparently all true. The employee _offered_ him free admission, because, Ham says, they want skeptics to visit. > > What is the problem? > > It seems clear that Ham is only upset because the guy emerged from his museum as dubious of “creation science” as ever–in other words, the museum had failed. That’s the problem - they want skeptics to be converted, not just to visit. IMO, that’s a tall order, because their display content is explicitly written to reinforce the views of those who already believe, it doesn’t really resemble the public arguments of creationism (which are also generally false, but different). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/62 "2013-08-17T14:06:58Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Jeez, both guys come off looking bad. I don’t like Hamm, but if (big IF) his version of events is accurate, Were you there?! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/63 "2013-08-17T14:13:11Z")
OK, that being said let’s look at the balance sheet: **We doubt Ken Ham’s account because:** He has a long history of lies, deceptions, financial misconduct, con-artistry, and so on. **We doubt the debunkingchristianity guy because:** He’s not a very good writer and some concern trolls are whinging about ‘militant atheists’.? ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/64 "2013-08-17T14:19:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Hi, Ken! Darn! You beat me to it! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/65 "2013-08-17T17:00:41Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I’ll show YOU people! I disagree with every post on this board, ever. Including from the AOL days. Including mine, though I missed the AOL days. Including every letter and email ever written to Cecil, especially the ones that were never sent. And every last one of Cecil’s replies. Beat that, bitches. Yeah?! Well, I disagree with the consensus of public and academic opinion, the incontrovertible facts of history, the axioms of mathematics, and the laws of chemistry and physics! ---
**Author:** ![Peaton\_of\_peat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecae2f/32.png) [@Peaton\_of\_peat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peaton_of_peat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/66 "2013-08-17T18:11:57Z")
Did the debunkingchristianity guy try out their NEW! zip lines? Apparently they’re the biggest and best in the midwest! I don’t have anything to say about that guy in particular, but the time I went (free admission on Christmas Eve) there was an armed guard directing traffic who stopped and turned to a woman to tell her, “Are you taking my picture? I don’t appreciate that.” Also I didn’t see the guard dogs directly but I did see a K-9 Unit van in the parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/67 "2013-08-17T23:12:17Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Were you there?! Props. ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/68 "2013-08-17T23:32:20Z")
I sneaked in to _The Passion of the Christ_, so as not to fund Mad Mel in any way. I had a review to write. Theaters make their money on concessions anyway. ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/69 "2013-08-17T23:35:09Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Only goes to prove that atheists have no morals or ethics whatsoever. Are you serious? Care to compare crime rates between religious and secular places? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/70 "2013-08-18T02:52:59Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Are you serious? Care to compare crime rates between religious and secular places? That whoooooshing sound you just heard was the sarcasm you missed passing over your head. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/71 "2013-08-18T05:13:54Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. > > In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand. Sometimes there were two sets of footprints, other times there was one only. > > This bothered me because I noticed that during the low periods of my life, when I was suffering from anguish, sorrow or defeat, I could see only one set of footprints, so I said to the Lord, > > “You promised me Lord, that if I followed you, you would walk with me always. But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life there has only been one set of footprints in the sand. Why?" > > The Lord replied, “The Sand People travel in single file to hide their numbers" 😃 _\_ ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/72 "2013-08-18T16:30:44Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky. > > \ > > The Lord replied, “The Sand People travel in single file to hide their numbers" I am stealing this. Oh, yes. And [look what I found](http://imgfave.com/view/2078284)! ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/73 "2013-08-19T05:51:54Z")
Consider me ecumenical - I dislike both equally ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/74 "2013-08-19T08:03:52Z")
The atheist blog post was low grade ore, but the pictures were nice. I have no idea what people found objectionable in his post. But then again, I only skimmed it. [Debunking Christianity: An Atheist Visits the Creation Museum in Kentucky And Tells All](http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.ca/2013/08/an-atheist-visits-creation-museum-in.html) ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2013, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350/75 "2013-08-19T12:46:09Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Were you there?! I LOL’d at this. Good show, would read again. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/creoturd-ken-ham-whines-again-about-those-awful-atheists/666350.md?page=3)