Well, what the fuck are we wasting our time with prison then? Just take them out back behind the police station and put a bullet in their skull. Tell me, reaper, at what level of criminal activity does one become scum? What if instead of breaking into his house, they’d stolen his car? His wallet? His mail? His life savings through a pyramid scheme? Are these all deserving of death. At what point do we know that someone is worthless?
um do you know what the girl was thinking?
do you have the first clue whatsoever? do you know if she was CERTAIN she was alone? would it matter how loud the sound was if she was on drugs? or thought no one else was down there but her cousin?
it’s so easy for you to sit in on the internet and pretend to know what people thought, but you don’t.
I have absolutely no idea what I would do if I was tense, stressed, participating in a burglary and believed a person I loved may have been shot. I can imagine that, as a criminal, calling 911 might not be the first thing that occurred to me. But really, I don’t know.
Home Invasion is a separate and very elevated level of crime than the ones you listed. In many states it allows the homeowner to use deadly force.
The sound would have been obvious (to anyone except maybe people totally messed up on drugs) as a deadly blast of gunfire.
What is your point? 
First of all, big whoop. I’m not super excited about this whole “if your home’s invaded, you get to kill” high people seem to get on. Defend, yes. Disable intruders, yes. Kill, whoa now.
Secondly, in MN deadly force is only permissible if you think you are in danger of your life. Now, very few people are going to second guess someone whose home’s been invaded and say, now you weren’t really scared there, were you, but it’s not permission to just blow people away.
Thirdly, fumster didn’t say they invaded a home, thy deserved to die. He said they were thieves, they deserved to die.
It’s burglary. It’s somebody taking something from your house that doesn’t belong to them. At what point in time did this deed become known as “Home Invasion”? Makes it sound like a cadre of evil mercenaries about to rush your house from land, sea and air.
Agree. Was just clarifying that the law makes a distinction between the various crimes he listed and the very separate and unique crime of home invasions.
Oh and p.s. I don’t even own a gun and I share your opinion about trigger-happy gun owners who think that any person who trespasses “deserves killing”.
That is what “breaking into an occupied home” is called in the US. Where do you live?
Here is a link for you: Home invasion - Wikipedia
my point is no, it wouldn’t have been obvious.
see, this is the problem. you are sitting back and projecting how YOU would look at things, how YOU would consider things, then making judgments on how these other people MUST have thought.
last night night on the news a guy was shot in a neighborhood, the people in the house where he was shot thought people were outside firing off fireworks. the girl interviewed said on the air she was perplexed why someone would be outside shooting off fireworks, at that time of day, with no holiday, for seemingly no reason. but that’s what she thought. …all up until she saw the guy shot in the street.
once i was sitting in my car in the driveway after just pulling up with my girlfriend. we sat there with the engine and lights off, and i see a black fellow exiting my front porch.
my initial reaction was “hey, i guess i had a visitor–he must have been knocking for some time.” as i got out of the car and saw him panic and flee, i realized he was actually trying to break in. my initial thought was not “burglar.” it was “weird visitor.”
my point is even under LUCID circumstances, we don’t often put 2 and 2 together.
you’re just a dude on the net, reading news stories, projecting your ideas into the brains of people involved.
STOP SPECULATING.
it’s been demonstrated people hear gunfire and do not know that is what it is. we have no details whatsoever on this situation.
we actually have no proof of the circumstances of the girl going into the basement . for all we know they came down closer to each other and were both shot in succession. or maybe he’s lying and shot the guy, ran upstairs and shot the girl before dragging her down the stairs.
or a BILLION, ENDLESS list of other things. you literally don’t know.
so just wait it out. you don’t know what she thought or what ever actually happened for sure.
You’ve never fired, or even heard a gun fired, have you?
I’m not so sure about that. The dude told the police, and I’m quoting from the textlink up-thread:
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her laugh
Sounds to me like he killed her because he was upset at her laughing at him, not for robbing him. I’m fairly certain your victim’s laughing at you for being a poor shot isn’t an affirmative defense. Perhaps one of the legal beagles on the board would weigh in on that?
If he’d shot them while he was actually in fear for his life and state law permits deadly force even if he doesn’t know if they are armed, then I don’t see any problem with that as a justification. There may be an argument in his favor for the death of the boy. His admissions to the police, on the other hand, remove any shadow of a doubt in regard to the death of the girl. He was no longer in fear for his life after the first shot that hit her. The bastard definitely murdered the girl and he knows he did. He really doesn’t appear to have any actual remorse for it, either.
ETA: Just read the verbiage below the video link. Screw the dude. He murdered both victims and he knows it. “I wanted him dead” is what he told the police and this was when he described his second shot to the male victim. Seems pre-meditated to me.
i have a nice utilitarian antique Remington double barrel 16 gauge we still use.
does that mean i get to INSIST what people i’ve never met, in situations that are cloudy, which i’ve only read about in a single news article with unclear circumstances are thinking?
…do i get to INSIST how they interpret sounds?
do you really think you have a right to speculate?
eta: you have a right. i guess i should asked if it’s really USEFUL to speculate…
You should read your own links-it is a bit more than breaking into an occupied home.
I was asking when the term became popular, and according your Wiki link it was around 1995:
Agree. No one would be laughing for real, sometimes expressions of horror look like grotesque smiles, and if she were shot in the lungs there might have been some weird sounds coming out that might have been misinterpreted as laughing by someone in a high state of agitation.
I agree.
I stand corrected, thank you.
wow, you’re just insistent on speculating on every detail, huh?
“well, from my internet perch i am CERTAIN no one would laugh, so we can be SURE that part is not accurate.”
earlier she was on bath salts (you speculated), and people on bath salts laugh maniacally while being shot and do not even bother acting like it hurt them. now you’re speculating the exact opposite–she couldn’t have possibly laughed, so let’s play jr CSI to evaluate how fluids and air leave body cavities–maybe THAT.
i’m asking again: what good does it do to speculate so wildly? you’ve now spanned the spectrum. to what end?
why not just chill a little and wait for details…?
I have. I’ve fired a 30-.30, which is just as loud as the mini-14. I’ve also been present for a gunshot inside, in the same room I was in, with no hearing protection. It was indistinguishable from when someone set off fireworks in a similarly sized room. If I’d been on the other side of the house, I’m sure that’s what I would have assumed it was. It could also be mistaken for other sounds. There are other things that make loud, percussive sounds, and the house would make it harder to identify with any certainty.
As long as we’re speculating, I think it plausible that everyone involved is an alien.
At least, I’ve not yet heard anyone prove they aren’t.