# Crimson Glyph forbidden thread: **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 30, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861 "2009-04-30T16:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/201 "2009-06-04T18:12:02Z")
Eh, I was reasonably certain that **paul1** was Scum, too, since his play wasn’t very good for Town… I just wanted to give him the chance to prove himself. I was actually a bit surprised when the outcome came out. And I didn’t actually particularly suspect **Pinkies** : I just wanted to save **paul** , and a lurker was the next-easiest target (and really, lurking was the entirety of the case against **Pinkies** , which isn’t very strong, either). ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/202 "2009-06-04T21:12:34Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I wish I’d been a sinner. I wish you had been, too! Had I been Town, I would have agreed with you, Chronos; at first actually thinking \*\*paul \*\*was likely scum, but then willing to suspend judgment after he claimed. Of course, his failure to explicitly say that he was willing to allow his claim to be tested made it much easier for me to stay on his case… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/203 "2009-06-04T23:36:45Z")
What the H E Double Hockey-Sticks did **paul** just do? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/204 "2009-06-04T23:40:48Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What the H E Double Hockey-Sticks did **paul** just do? I think he’s trying to stick to his ‘non-participation’ but indicating who he thinks is another BH? maybe? I don’t know. How else would he communicate without talking? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/205 "2009-06-05T01:06:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I think he’s trying to stick to his ‘non-participation’ but indicating who he thinks is another BH? > > maybe? > > I don’t know. How else would he communicate without talking? That’s my guess, also he might still trust rysto (though what happened to inner?). I hope that he doesn’t leave his vote there though, could give the BH a chance for a last minute vote switch if Joey is town. Based on what we know/are probably all assuming: paulwhoisaghost (probably innocent based on nervous breakdown) Peekercpa (claimed, sinner friendly town) Inner Stickler Joey P. Mahaloth Meeko (Mason) Rysto (Scum false doctor) 3 Mafia at large, possibly peeker for the sinners if his claim is true (if peeker lives to the end he’s got to be a blackheart, they have every reason to want him dead asap if his claim is true). Unknown number of living sin infected non-prayers. Two of Inner Sticker, Joey P, and Mahaloth are probably mafia. I’ve wanted to kill mahaloth since day 2 or so, but have no strong feelings about the other two. Personally I’d kill Rysto and then Mahaloth while watching who votes/dies in the meanwhile. Honestly I rarely think further ahead than that; i tend to only be alive at the end if I’m mafia. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/206 "2009-06-05T03:22:26Z")
> [@](#): > > paulwhoisaghost (probably innocent based on nervous breakdown) Y’know, I was sort of thinking that, but on the other hand, I’ve seen more scum faking nervous breakdowns to build up Town cred, or to sow general confusion, than I have genuine Town nervous breakdowns. And **peeker** really ought to be a priority target for the Blackhearts, except that technical difficulties are apparently keeping him away from the board right now (and I think it was a mistake on **paul** ’s part to point that out). Not being on the board means he’s not voting and not Sinfecting, so as long as the Blackhearts know at least one of their number to be non-Sinfected, they have nothing to gain by killing him. I agree on **Mahaloth** , incidentally: He’s been my #2 priority all game, but Townies kept on sacrificing themselves to saving him by doing scummy things. The tough part is going to be to convince **Meeko** to vote for him, though: Town needs every vote right now. Oh, one other point against **Mahaloth** : Despite clearly seeing **paul** ’s vote for **Joey** , he didn’t make any comment on the bizarreness of it. Every actual Town player should be looking at him like he has three heads, for that one. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/207 "2009-06-05T03:36:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Y’know, I was sort of thinking that, but on the other hand, I’ve seen more scum faking nervous breakdowns to build up Town cred, or to sow general confusion, than I have genuine Town nervous breakdowns. But posting in the forbidden thread? angel was mod killed for less, iirc. I could see pede leaving him in the game so as not to toss it to the BH, but that’s pretty much the only reason to keep him alive. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/208 "2009-06-05T19:04:04Z")
I take it Ped isn’t going to be addressing the Paul issue before the end of the game. For those unspoiled, it has been asked multiple times in the Scum board too. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/209 "2009-06-05T19:42:10Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > I hope that he doesn’t leave his vote there though, could give the BH a chance for a last minute vote switch if Joey is town. If Peeker doesn’t show up again and Paul leaves his vote there, it leaves town open to a BH switch even if Joey is scummy as scum-scum-scum. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/210 "2009-06-05T21:19:16Z")
I just noticed something. In the first version of my mathematical analysis, **Rysto** didn’t come out looking all that bad, but **Mahaloth** and **Inner Stickler** did. But **Rysto** very quickly came out against my plan, and shortly thereafter dug up some old, old material to use against **Mahaloth**. Now that we know that **Rysto** is Scum, both of these are consistent with the assumption that **Mahaloth** (or possibly **Stickler** is Scum and **Rysto** was attempting to defend him: First he calls into question a method that would finger **Mahaloth** , and then he throws off the assumption of no scum-on-scum votes. Incidentally, I deliberately did not include any votes after I unveiled my hypothesis, since after I pointed it out, there was a clear incentive for Scum to vote Scum to throw it off. Rather than WiFoM-ing whether they would or not, I decided to just ignore all that tainted data. I also noticed that **Inner Stickler** voted for me based on that analysis, but that’s not so telling: If he is in fact Town, then it’s natural that he would be suspicious of an analysis that makes him look scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/211 "2009-06-08T16:02:47Z")
This game is technically still going on, though it’s been dead the last few days. i hope pede shortens it going forward. Smart analysis chronos. I wonder what the next Dawn will bring (assuming the BH don’t pull a vote switch, which i would at this point if rysto was a BH and joey wasn’t). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/212 "2009-06-08T16:33:49Z")
The door is still open for a last-minute BH switch. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/213 "2009-06-08T17:06:37Z")
> [@](#): > > Smart analysis chronos. I wonder what the next Dawn will bring (assuming the BH don’t pull a vote switch, which i would at this point if rysto was a BH and joey wasn’t). It doesn’t actually matter whether **Joey** is a Blackheart, only whether **paul3** is one. If **paul3** is a Townie (or at least, non-Blackheart), then we currently have two Town votes on **Rysto** , one Town vote on **Joey** , one Town (or non-Blackheart) who’s not voting, and three Blackhearts. If all of the Blackhearts switch to, say, **Meeko** at the last minute, then the final total would be **Meeko** 3, **Rysto** 2, and we’d have a Blackheart victory. It doesn’t matter what **Joey** is: Even if he’s a Blackheart, it’s not enough at this stage to vote for a Blackheart; you have to vote for the same Blackheart as the rest of town. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/214 "2009-06-08T17:11:06Z")
That also assumes peeker isn’t some kind of alpha blackheart, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/215 "2009-06-08T17:42:05Z")
If **peeker** ’s an alpha (of which I am almost certain), he’s probably Sinner, not Blackheart. I just can’t see him name-dropping a false name in his claim (too much risk of a counterclaim), and there’s no way, from the book, that Reverend Dimmesdale would be on Roger’s side, not Hester’s. Final prediction: **Rysto** is Roger There are two other Blackhearts, being two out of **Mahaloth** , **Inner Stickler** , or **paul**. If the game doesn’t end right now, then my highest suspicion is on **paul** , followed by **Mahaloth**. On the off chance that **paul** changes his vote back to **Rysto** at the last minute (it might have been a ploy to draw out the scum), then it’s **Mahaloth** and **Stickler**. **peeker** is in fact Dimmesdale and is an alpha Sinner (started off Sin-aligned, but would always detect as Town). I’m guessing that **Thing Fish** wrote the false role PM, since I don’t think that **peeker** can fake a sane voice. **Joey P** and one of the three I mentioned under the Blackhearts are Town. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/216 "2009-06-08T17:58:55Z")
In **paul’s** mysterious vote for **Joey** , he listed the names of **Joey** , **Mahaloth,** and **me**. I wonder if he might be thinking that since all three of us used the same PM, and I turned up scum, that therefore all of us must be scum? Of course, that would be ludicrous; it is at least equally possible that **Joey** and/or **Mahaloth** are Town (or BH) and that I copied their PM after they had already posted it. Of course, if\*\* Joey\*\*, who posted the PM first, is scum, that means **Mahaloth** must also be, but you can’t work that logic backwards. But **paul** is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what he is thinking. Truly, this game is getting almost painful to read. The BH have been doing a great job of nightkilling in such a way as to reduce the collective Town IQ with every kill… It looks like if the BH have their act together, they can probably pull a last minute vote switch and put the game away. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/217 "2009-06-08T18:00:41Z")
And there it is! ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/218 "2009-06-08T18:07:51Z")
Yep. BTW, since the game is over, you’re wrong about Peeker, Chronos. He wasn’t in communication with the other sinners originally. (Ever? Don’t know, never saw the sinner communications.) It’s why TF was riding Freudian/Peeker so hard. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/219 "2009-06-08T18:14:10Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Of course, that would be ludicrous; it is at least equally possible that **Joey** and/or **Mahaloth** are Town (or BH) and that I copied their PM after they had already posted it. Of course, if\*\* Joey\*\*, who posted the PM first, is scum, that means **Mahaloth** must also be, but you can’t work that logic backwards. But **paul** is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that is what he is thinking. TF, I almost cried I was laughing so hard when you stole my fake PM. Not only that, you ASKED me for it just a few posts earlier. As soon as you did that, we knew you were safe to NK because me and Mahaloth could claim you stole our PM since you asked for it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/220 "2009-06-08T18:17:15Z")
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