# Crimson Glyph forbidden thread: **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 30, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861 "2009-04-30T16:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/121 "2009-05-28T15:48:58Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > Funny conclusion: If you’re torn between allwalker and rystro it would almost make sense to vote for another player altogether, there are a few confirmed innocents and enough scum that you’re more than 50% likely to hit one by chance (assuming 4 bh). Maybe i should still be on Mah. 😛 Sadly, at this point (and assuming 4 blackhearts), it looks like the only plausible Town strategy is to pile on whoever Meeko decides to vote for. Which probably means Meeko will decide to play it close to his vest and only make his vote on Sunday morning, for some reason only he can understand. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/122 "2009-05-28T16:27:51Z")
> [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2064): > > 1. I posted my role PM on the previous page. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2068): > > Rysto, you had a free shot at this, and you threw it away. > > Let us try once more here. If you can’t give me what I am looking for, in full, I think you know what that means. > > And if you need some fire under your feet : > > **Unvote Allwalker.** > > Now, your next post (or two, in case we are simulposting) WILL decide If I vote, or re-vote. Am I clear? Does anyone know what Meeko means? He needs to seriously grow up. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Sadly, at this point (and assuming 4 blackhearts), it looks like the only plausible Town strategy is to pile on whoever Meeko decides to vote for. > > Which probably means Meeko will decide to play it close to his vest and only make his vote on Sunday morning, for some reason only he can understand. You’re probably right. One caveat: there are more claims coming, and we need to hear them. Even Meeko might be swayed by logic if the right claims are made. Also, it might not be lynch or lose…depends on the numbers. If there are 3 blackhearts then town voting needs look a lot different (also if rystro turns out to be a blackheart that’s one less vote for that side). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/123 "2009-05-28T16:59:26Z")
And it all comes down to the Temptation of St. Meeko. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/124 "2009-05-28T17:49:20Z")
> [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2074): > > And I have a rock which keeps tigers away. It must work, I’ve never seen a tiger around here. Heh, heh. I nominate that for best line in the game. (Paul and Ed has some good ones as well, but this edges theirs out.) ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/125 "2009-05-28T18:32:39Z")
I played with Peeker in one of his first(if not actually his first) games here. I will state, with no doubt or questions in my mind at all, that he was far more coherent and logical in that game than Meeko has been in this one. I kinda feel bad for the guy. It really seems to me that he’s having a really hard time grasping the concepts of the game. I would imagine he’s trying to fit it into a Haggle like framework, which really doesn’t work. I get the feeling he’s just latching onto anything and seeing if he can make it work, hence the reverse breadcrumb thing he threw at AllWalker(which doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense). What I mean is, Rysto and Allwalker claimed to have breadcrumbed their role and bits of it, and Meeko saw that and is trying to run with the concept. The problem of course is he’s completely misunderstand what it means. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/126 "2009-05-28T19:25:33Z")
You think **Meeko** ’s odd? I feel like I’m inside a [Chinese room](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Room). Apparently he’s been having these long, in-depth conversations with me, in some language I don’t know. It’s almost like there’s two Chronoi; myself, and the one **Meeko** was talking with, and I’m left wondering if there’s any way I can meet that other guy. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/127 "2009-05-28T20:07:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You think **Meeko** ’s odd? I feel like I’m inside a [Chinese room](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Room). Apparently he’s been having these long, in-depth conversations with me, in some language I don’t know. It’s almost like there’s two Chronoi; myself, and the one **Meeko** was talking with, and I’m left wondering if there’s any way I can meet that other guy. You were asking at one point what gave you away as the vote buyer. It’s entirely possible that the answer was "nothing’ because, as meeko demonstrates so well, people see patterns that don’t exist. I think we have at least one more town power role out there. I’d love for people to finish claiming. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/128 "2009-05-29T17:49:50Z")
All claims with PMs Meeko as Mason, of course. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2121): > > Private Message: Role PM > > 04-28-2009, 06:16 PM > > pedescribe > Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 > > Role PM > > * * * > > You are an Ordinary Puritan. You believe in God, good works, and righteousness. You do not abide any impurity or sin and are seeking out to remove all evil from the town. Unfortunately, you do not know who is pure and who is not. > > You are Town. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2122): > > pedescribe > Guest > > Join Date: Mar 2008 > Role PM > You are: > > An ordinary, pure Puritan. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2123): > > Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 > > Role PM > > You are an Ordinary Puritan. You believe in God, good works, and righteousness. You do not abide any impurity or sin and are seeking out to remove all evil from the town. Unfortunately, you do not know who is pure and who is not. > > You are Town. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2106): > > New role PM > You are an ordinary puritan. And, last night, you were ensinned. You can make a choice, town or sinner… > > Also, your vote was bought, meaning you can’t vote until told. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2100): > > You are an Ordinary Puritan. You believe in God, good works, and righteousness. You do not abide any impurity or sin and are seeking out to remove all evil from the town. Unfortunately, you do not know who is pure and who is not. > > You are Town. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2073): > > You are the Physic. Although your medical skills can do nothing against the Sinners, you can foil the Blackhearts in their quest to destroy the Puritans of Boston. > > Powers: > > 1. Each night, you can protect someone. The person will wake up with ‘a slightly healed feeling’. > > You are Town. > [@The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2002): > > ok in two parts because they seem to be contradictory. > > The correct role PM: > > You are Reverend Dimmesdale. Right now, you are acting pure, and technically, you are. But you want to be with the other sinners. You can do that if you become infected. And when you turn, investigators will still think you’re pure. Allwalker Role PM You are Governor Bellingham. A young, up and coming man, you don’t know much about politics. But you are a man of the faith, as all politician must be, and are determined to weed out those who would oppose you. Powers: 1. You are so pure you can never be infected with the seed of sin. 2. You have access to the secret official records kept in the governor’s office. Each night, you may research a player and see what they originated as–Pure, Sinner, or Blackheart. 3. If you are ostracized, you may do one final investigation before you leave. This investigation will be found by the town the next Day. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/129 "2009-05-29T18:07:00Z")
I think a handful of things are relatively clear: 1.) If there is a cop, it’s allwalker. 2.) Rystro is giving people the slightly healed feeling. 3.) There’s something odd in the fact that Thing Fish and Mahaloth posted the exact some VP role PM as Joey (who went first) whereas Inner sticker’s was different. 4.) Thing Fish and Mahaloth are anti Allwalker Questions: Would pede send us into this game without a cop? Do we expect a false doctor by the name of Roger Chillingworth? “Roger Chillingworth - “Roger Chillingworth” is actually Hester’s husband in disguise. He is much older than she is and had sent her to America while he settled his affairs in Europe. Because he is captured by Native Americans, he arrives in Boston belatedly and finds Hester and her illegitimate child being displayed on the scaffold. He lusts for revenge, and thus decides to stay in Boston despite his wife’s betrayal and disgrace. He is a scholar and uses his knowledge to disguise himself as a doctor, intent on discovering and tormenting Hester’s anonymous lover. Chillingworth is self-absorbed and both physically and psychologically monstrous. His single-minded pursuit of retribution reveals him to be the most malevolent character in the novel.” I think the “slightly healed feeling” would be a great mafia power. So, in my grand theory of the game: Lynch Rystro. If you’re allwalker, test thing fish or mahaloth. Inner sticker maybe as last sinner. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/130 "2009-05-29T18:31:47Z")
Yeah, the “no cop” argument certainly swings things in AllWalker’s direction. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/131 "2009-05-29T19:58:02Z")
Ooh, good catch, **Telcontar**. I was thinking it a bit suspicious that we would have so many protective roles. I’d love to update my computerized analysis with all this new information, but having three factions really complicates things-- I can’t assume that all non-Blackhearts are telling the truth, for instance. On the other hand, everybody’s checked in now, and nobody’s claimed to have been Sinfected. I suspect that this means that there is no longer anyone with the power to Sinfect, which means **paul3** was lying. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/132 "2009-05-30T03:31:08Z")
OK, I re-wrote my program, to account for all three factions. I’m assuming the following: 1: There are no fewer than 3 but no more than 4 Blackhearts left. 2: There are no more than 2 Original Sinners left, but possibly none. 3: All Town are telling the truth. 4: If **paul3** is Town, then there exists at least one Original Sinner left, since he claimed to have been Sinfected yesterday. 5: If **AllWalker** is Town, then **peeker** is not a Blackheart. I’m not assuming he’s Town, because he might be an alpha. 6: If **AllWalker** is Town, then **Rysto** is a Blackheart. 7: There have been a relatively small number of Blackheart-on-Blackheart votes (this is an adjustable parameter in the program). Is there any more known information that I’m missing? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/133 "2009-05-30T05:27:03Z")
Can someone adjust meeko’s meds? He’s gone bat-shit. If there are four blackhearts, then good game to them. If there are three… Rystro dies tomorrow, and Allwalker’s investigation of Thing-fish is, in my best guess, likely to hit paydirt. Results in three person mafia with 1 BH, and two sinner/town. I’d almost be leaning sinner victory. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/134 "2009-06-01T03:12:42Z")
Deep thought: If I’m right and Allwalker is town then Meeko’s brain is going to start smoking when it’s announced. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/135 "2009-06-01T15:59:06Z")
I’m leaning Town on him myself. Mainly because there is nothing that says that scum can’t get a doctor like role. Especially when you consider there are three factions. A Blackheart Anti-Sinner doctor seems like a logical role for this game, and no one other than Allwalker is even considering the possibility. Meeko is so hung up on the fact that Rysto did something that protected him that he doesn’t see that that doesn’t automatically mean he is Town. I find it especially ironic since Ped has used a scum doctor role before, sort of. Molefan in Smash Brothers on the offboard site was a scum jack of all trades, and one of his abilities was doctor. It was just like Rysto’s claim here, the person targeted got a message that they were protected, and he used it early on on people(like Meeko) that were confirmed Town. Huge Town cred earned, and yet he was scum. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/136 "2009-06-01T16:00:45Z")
Oh and something else I forgot to mention. Meeko is doing it again. He’s latched onto a concept he doesn’t really understand and is riding it in ways it isn’t meant to be ridden. He did it before with the breadcrumb concept, and now he’s doing it with the no editing concept. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/137 "2009-06-01T16:25:46Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Oh and something else I forgot to mention. Meeko is doing it again. He’s latched onto a concept he doesn’t really understand and is riding it in ways it isn’t meant to be ridden. He did it before with the breadcrumb concept, and now he’s doing it with the no editing concept. Yes, and his unwillingness to accept a paraphrase as being different than an edit is just mind boggling. Also, I’d probably have edited “sinner immune” out of my role pm if i’d posted it word for word; makes them waste a shot. I still like my chillingworth as false doctor idea. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/138 "2009-06-01T17:00:07Z")
Gentleman’s wager, here: **Rysto** is Roger Chillingworth, and really does have a power that gives the target a healed feeling (which may or may not actually do anything). At least one of **Mahaloth** or **Inner Stickler** is also a Blackheart. **peeker** really is Reverend Dimmesdale, but his powers aren’t exactly as claimed. Any takers? ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/139 "2009-06-01T17:12:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Gentleman’s wager, here: **Rysto** is Roger Chillingworth, and really does have a power that gives the target a healed feeling (which may or may not actually do anything). At least one of **Mahaloth** or **Inner Stickler** is also a Blackheart. **peeker** really is Reverend Dimmesdale, but his powers aren’t exactly as claimed. > > Any takers? I’d only disagree on the peeker point; I think he may be exactly as claimed (though he may have already been converted). So no bet :-P. If i read peeker’s power correctly, he can join the sinners as a full member (can infect, post on their board, etc). That;s plenty powerful all by itself. Given the nine players, my guesses would be: Allwalker (cop) + Meeko (mason) + Peeker (Dimsdale) + Joey (town) Inner (sinner) Mahaloth (Mafia) + Thing Fish (Mafia) + Rysto (Chillingworth, mafia power role) + Paul/Bill (town) Assuming 2 sinners, 3 mafia, and 1 Dimsdale at the beginning. the plus signs indicate guesses of which I am especially confident. Today has actually been very quiet, apart from meeko. Makes me think that the scum board is seeing most of the activity. If i’m right about the initial distribution, i’d predict a sinner victory. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/crimson-glyph-forbidden-thread/494861/140 "2009-06-01T19:17:50Z")
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